Taking aim assist out of PvP removes all skill from PvP!

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Originally Posted by Upinya Slayin

wll i have to disagree with that. the damage output on detonators is low. and its the only thing in the game that can flush out people camping. aiming ins't easy, range is limited, and the damage done is directly related to the distance the enemy is from the explosion. a couriour is more damaging the a detonator with 1 shot doing almost 4k damage and it sticks to people. a direct shot with a couriour will kill anyone. and there is plenty of balance. in a CQC a shotgun will own it, at mid range a shotgun, LMG, SMG, AR will own it. at long range an infector, pistol or sniper will own it.
If you could only carrry 1 weapon nobody would use a detonator. its a situational tool IMO

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Ive seen your video u posted & all u used was a detonator/ shotgun & cloak so of course ud say that pal ;)

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Originally Posted by PookLove

Yeah that's what were asking for, similar to Halo, GOW, COD. My guess is these topics(Aim assist) aren't going to get much attention because Defiance has much bigger issues to deal with. However, I'm sure eventually cloak/shotgun will catch a nerf which will be awesome. This is because all the communities, PC, Xbox, PS3 can agree it's a noob combo. They already nerfed the infectors/sawed offs slightly. But the combat/pump shotguns need to be toned down a bit.

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They nerfed infectors? Lol ok then they did such a good job.

So I threw on an AR/SMG combo and went 8-2 and 12-0, I don't see a problem.

EDIT: Oh, and I'm on Xbox 360 NA. I also have Aim Assist turned off for PvE, it's just so much better that way. The only way to develop skill is to train. Yes you can have natural talent, but that will only take you but so far, training is where you become great. Now for the select few of us who have natural talent and training, well, it's just an entirely different level of skill that most will never be able to reach, and that goes for everything, not just gaming.

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Originally Posted by Vizzera

So I threw on an AR/SMG combo and went 8-2 and 12-0, I don't see a problem.

EDIT: Oh, and I'm on Xbox 360 NA. I also have Aim Assist turned off for PvE, it's just so much better that way. The only way to develop skill is to train. Yes you can have natural talent, but that will only take you but so far, training is where you become great. Now for the select few of us who have natural talent and training, well, it's just an entirely different level of skill that most will never be able to reach, and that goes for everything, not just gaming.

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I use an AR and shotgun and go 7-0 or 8-1 usually.
This has nothing to do with the point of the thread.

Well if I have an AR and Shotgun is more like 24 - 3 or so, lol.
And saying you can do fine with an AR, you are contradicting yourself. You said...

"ARs, SMGs, LMGs, Pistols, and Snipers are completely obsolete when it comes to Detonators, Rocket Launchers and Guided Rocket Launchers, Shotguns, Sawed off Shotguns, Infectors and Biomechanical Guns."

But if you are going 7-1 and 8-0, how is that obsolete when kids are running around with Shotguns and Detonators with Cloak and going 12- 9.

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Originally Posted by Slay

It would have taken less time to read the actual thread and not the title than it does to write an irrelivent two paragraph post.

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I did read the thread; "Too many auto-seeking, high damage weapons make it too hard to counter with precision weapons without aim assist." pretty much sums it up, right? Maybe you should have made that the thread title rather than reply to seven pages of posts of people you don't think "get" what you're trying to communicate. But I completely get it, I just think you're wrong and offered a solution to where the real problem lies. Try re-reading my post, or:

TL;DR: You're too used to having aim assist in your shooters. Try taking it off in single player to get used to not having it. After a short learning curve (maybe) you'll start to get way more criticals, anyway. Then once you go to play PvP it won't be such a jarring change and you'll see it's a problem of the damage of guns that have auto aim versus guns that don't, not that anyone needs their cursor to slow down over enemies.

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Originally Posted by AbsoluteDeicide

I did read the thread; "Too many auto-seeking, high damage weapons make it too hard to counter with precision weapons without aim assist." pretty much sums it up, right? Maybe you should have made that the thread title rather than reply to seven pages of posts of people you don't think "get" what you're trying to communicate. But I completely get it, I just think you're wrong and offered a solution to where the real problem lies. Try re-reading my post, or:

TL;DR: You're too used to having aim assist in your shooters. Try taking it off in single player to get used to not having it. After a short learning curve (maybe) you'll start to get way more criticals, anyway. Then once you go to play PvP it won't be such a jarring change and you'll see it's a problem of the damage of guns that have auto aim versus guns that don't, not that anyone needs their cursor to slow down over enemies.

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If you read the thread, you missed the point completely. Slay has said several times he has no problem killing people in Competitive PvP. He is saying that OTHER players relied so much on aim assist that when it was taken out they all switched to weapons that are powerful without aim assist, ie. Detonators, Shotguns, Infectors, Launchers - basically any weapon that homes or does AoE.

I can go 10-3, 8-2, 9-5, with an AR all day. It does not mean ARs are fine. They require to much precision and a greater degree of skill but are less reliable and have many more drawbacks than Infectors, Detonators, or Launchers.

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Originally Posted by fang1192

If you read the thread, you missed the point completely. Slay has said several times he has no problem killing people in Competitive PvP.

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Then there's nothing to be fixed and this thread is just a waste of bandwidth.

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Originally Posted by FarmShaft

Ive seen your video u posted & all u used was a detonator/ shotgun & cloak so of course ud say that pal ;)

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yes i'm i'm actually quite underpowered in most games i step into. My detonator vs a orange courier i should lose every time. I do have 1 really good PvP weapon. But i haven't used it since i maxed it out. its a grind fragger with syphon. I think that its OP personally

I'm just gonna say this. I play a lot of PvP. And i played against a lot of people from the forums. and most of the people who talk about how they are always 10-1etc etc do not even come close to doing that good in game.