Nerfing keycode rewards isn't going to convince people to spend $ on lock boxes...

No one's going to waste $ for weapons that we can only use for half a day before we have to salvage them and move on

The whole problem is the weapon skill leveling system that forces you to abandon almost every gun you run across. While it may be unique, you can't make good guns so relatively worthless and still expect people to pay for them. You have to either players incentive to keep the guns they have (like resetting the xp bar), or keep everything the same and find an alternative route for game revenue. -- even though everything in the store is already ridiculously overpriced. You can buy FULL GAMES on XBL for $10, or spend it on a crappy outfit?


Instead of nerfing all the rewards for events (hence making things like emergencies completely worthless) why not actually give us incentive to spend money on the game by adding content or improving lock boxes etcc

How do you know this *money is power* people got money to spend they will 50$ isnt alot

I haven't got an orange from a lock box in my last 1100 levels. I only purchase tier 3+4.. Got 4 legendaries in my first 600 levels.

Bits are way overpriced.

Trion need to either reduce the price of bits, or reduce the bit prices on items.

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Originally Posted by MARKINEMPAC82S

How do you know this *money is power* people got money to spend they will 50$ isnt alot

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$50 is a lot when you've got nothing to show for it.

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Originally Posted by kingamish

No one's going to waste $ for weapons that we can only use for half a day before we have to salvage them and move on

The whole problem is the weapon skill leveling system that forces you to abandon almost every gun you run across. While it may be unique, you can't make good guns so relatively worthless and still expect people to pay for them. You have to either players incentive to keep the guns they have (like resetting the xp bar), or keep everything the same and find an alternative route for game revenue. -- even though everything in the store is already ridiculously overpriced. You can buy FULL GAMES on XBL for $10, or spend it on a crappy outfit?


Instead of nerfing all the rewards for events (hence making things like emergencies completely worthless) why not actually give us incentive to spend money on the game by adding content or improving lock boxes etcc

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I have never felt the need to abandon a weapon due to the leveling system.

I am leveling up infectors right now, in co-ops I switch out to some green junk ones to get my level points and then in arkfalls or places that matter I swap back to my good weapon.

If they really want people to spend money they should push out some more vehicals or fix the buffs you buy to not count server down time.

Consider how rarely a lock box (any level) actually produces something that you don't immediately sell or break-down.

I haven't kept anything for at least the last few dozen boxes (3 and 4) that I opened.

Agree with OP. Why would ANYONE in their right mind pay a dime for what amounts to nothing?

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Originally Posted by lukezordz

$50 is a lot when you've got nothing to show for it.

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i suppose..................

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Originally Posted by MARKINEMPAC82S

How do you know this *money is power* people got money to spend they will 50$ isnt alot

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I know this because I'm also one of the people with money to spend, but I'm not going to spend it on a gun that is only worth using temporarily before I move on to the next one

Just go do co ops quit your crying for keys

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Originally Posted by MARKINEMPAC82S

Just go do co ops quit your crying for keys

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I really don't understand what you're saying, you keep contradicting yourself...

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Originally Posted by kingamish

i know this because i'm also one of the people with money to spend, but i'm not going to spend it on a gun that is only worth using temporarily before i move on to the next one

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its only as temporarly as you the player make it ego slows down at 900 so ul get ya $ worth

Tw worried bout nerfed keys ok....and

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Originally Posted by Lukezordz

$50 is a lot when you've got nothing to show for it.

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Well said

I really enjoy this game, but if EVERY decision is made with the sole intent of increasing revenue without thinking about the customers, then it will die off rather quickly

Too many options out there to be constantly pissing off the people who support you

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Originally Posted by kingamish

no one's going to waste $ for weapons that we can only use for half a day before we have to salvage them and move on

the whole problem is the weapon skill leveling system that forces you to abandon almost every gun you run across. While it may be unique, you can't make good guns so relatively worthless and still expect people to pay for them. You have to either players incentive to keep the guns they have (like resetting the xp bar), or keep everything the same and find an alternative route for game revenue. -- even though everything in the store is already ridiculously overpriced. You can buy full games on xbl for $10, or spend it on a crappy outfit?


Instead of nerfing all the rewards for events (hence making things like emergencies completely worthless) why not actually give us incentive to spend money on the game by adding content or improving lock boxes etcc

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yea well im sure they will do something just have faith in trion sir

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Originally Posted by kingamish

well said

i really enjoy this game, but if every decision is made with the sole intent of increasing revenue without thinking about the customers, then it will die off rather quickly

too many options out there to be constantly pissing off the people who support you

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think of what you just said and bingo

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Originally Posted by MARKINEMPAC82S

its only as temporarly as you the player make it ego slows down at 900 so ul get ya $ worth

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Has nothing to do with ego, obviously you missed the point.

The best way to play this game is to just use the items your given or the items that drop, sometimes even the special items in the machines. But dont waste keycodes on loot boxes that give you items you have not lvld in and really dont spend real money on them.

I made the mistake of buying a tier4 loot box to get rocket launcher detonator and two useless grenade mods, was a total waste as i had lvl in assault rifles and shotguns and had a lower lvl purple grenade mod that was better.

Im not saying dont use the store at all, feel free to buy cosmetic items or vehicles its your money. But dont pay for a lucky dip thats just stupid

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Originally Posted by MARKINEMPAC82S

yea well im sure they will do something just have faith in trion sir

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Yeah they did something, they made it worse

I have faith in the company since they update regularly and do take advice from the community, but they screwed up with this one, and I'm letting them know .

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Originally Posted by MARKINEMPAC82S

Just go do co ops quit your crying for keys

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Is it really necessary to have your sig take up so much space. you replied 3 times with 1 sentence each and took up almost a full page in this post.

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Originally Posted by kingamish

Well said

I really enjoy this game, but if EVERY decision is made with the sole intent of increasing revenue without thinking about the customers, then it will die off rather quickly

Too many options out there to be constantly pissing off the people who support you

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I think they're desperate to just break even at the minute, a game 5+ years in the making and a TV show to coincide with it... That's big budget stuff. I don't think the game has brought in as much as they were hoping.

Don't get me wrong, I really do enjoy this game, but I'd love to be able to buy some new outfits, I'm just not going to throw £15 at them to have one outfit and head... I do wish that there were more efficient ways to get keycodes though, something like 1 per emergency.

They're just trying to recoup all the money they are about to lose when a few people or no one buys this game in a few months. $80 million plus advertising down the spitter. That's unless they start making changes for the better.

What trion could do is finally implement key fragments, and make emergencies give a few of those out or where applicable. Instead of whole key codes. That way well feel like theres a point to farming the same emergencies day in and out. I enjoy this game more than the average person on these forums, but im even starting to feel like just driving by the. I never see anyone else doing them so theres really no need to stop and help, and yeah they are fun,.........the first 1000 times. After that with no reward no mtter how big or small(id accept small) they are just there to complete pursuits. I think a key fragment or two would be a good compromise. Anyone know how many fragments makes 1 code?
Just fyi im not one of the complainers who were farming for keycodes...mine were always maxed because I didnt even buy lockboxes. Just recently starting buying lockboxes and lockbox mod caches

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Originally Posted by wORLDbREAKER

They're just trying to recoup all the money they are about to lose when a few people or no one buys this game in a few months. $80 million plus advertising down the spitter. That's unless they start making changes for the better.

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Exactly ^^

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Originally Posted by Lukezordz

I think they're desperate to just break even at the minute, a game 5+ years in the making and a TV show to coincide with it... That's big budget stuff. I don't think the game has brought in as much as they were hoping.

Don't get me wrong, I really do enjoy this game, but I'd love to be able to buy some new outfits, I'm just not going to throw £15 at them to have one outfit and head... I do wish that there were more efficient ways to get keycodes though, something like 1 per emergency.

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I can't speak for production costs, but I can imagine putting all this together was rather expensive

I just think there are better ways to make the game profitable than what they are currently doing

The problem with the defiance store is the pricing structure (in my opinion)

But instead of just complaining, I'll throw in a couple more suggestions...

First of all, base price for everything is too high. Especially considering some of the bonus' don't work all the time.
Reducing the cost AND adding sales would greatly increase revenue for Trion.

For example- group boost costs $1
have an occasional sale of 10 group boosts for $9 , and you'll be given tickets to use the other ones at your leisure. (JCPenny proved how important public perception of sales are)

or adding more cosmetics at lower prices
For example - additional cosmetic slots for everything from glasses to gloves to backpacks
These could range in price from $.50-$3 and I'm sure they would be a hit and bring in much more money than the 10 overpriced outfits they currently have

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Originally Posted by kingamish

or adding more cosmetics at lower prices
For example - additional cosmetic slots for everything from glasses to gloves to backpacks
These could range in price from $.50-$3 and I'm sure they would be a hit and bring in much more money than the 10 overpriced outfits they currently have

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I completely agree with this. In Borderlands 2 they brought out some special heads and skins for about £3. I bought them because I thought, hey, 5 different heads and outfits for £3? Sure, that's not a lot...

In Defiance I can buy 1 head and 1 outfit for 5 times that... £15 is the most insane price I've ever seen.

I'd only pay that much for permanent XP boosts or something. It's beyond ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Lukezordz

I completely agree with this. In Borderlands 2 they brought out some special heads and skins for about £3. I bought them because I thought, hey, 5 different heads and outfits for £3? Sure, that's not a lot...

In Defiance I can buy 1 head and 1 outfit for 5 times that... £15 is the most insane price I've ever seen.

I'd only pay that much for permanent XP boosts or something. It's beyond ridiculous.

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I hate you Avatar and Sig!!!! Every time you post I have to stop and read!!!

And by hate i mean Love, lol! I'm sorry it had to be said, that is all!

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Originally Posted by wORLDbREAKER

They're just trying to recoup all the money they are about to lose when a few people or no one buys this game in a few months. $80 million plus advertising down the spitter. That's unless they start making changes for the better.

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Heres some statistics to really show how much they made off sales!

http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...-in-game-Sales!

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Originally Posted by Lukezordz

I completely agree with this. In Borderlands 2 they brought out some special heads and skins for about £3. I bought them because I thought, hey, 5 different heads and outfits for £3? Sure, that's not a lot...

In Defiance I can buy 1 head and 1 outfit for 5 times that... £15 is the most insane price I've ever seen.

I'd only pay that much for permanent XP boosts or something. It's beyond ridiculous.

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You know, when you said permanent XP boost, I definitely thought to myself "yeah, I'd definitely pay $15 for that too"

and then the pessimist in me came out and thought about developers creating perfectly balanced games/leveling systems, and then making it 10% harder while adding a permanent XP boost at release

the next step in corporate greed!

perhaps we've said too much

Agreed, horribly overpriced items across the board.

The lockboxes take the cake in my book; if I wanted to gamble with money, I'd access a casino in the flesh or online. And to be fair, the slightly less than half chance of breaking even in Blackjack beats the chance of getting a high-tiered item out of a lockbox, at least in my experience.

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Originally Posted by Lukezordz

£15 is the most insane price I've ever seen.

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So about $23...

Full Outfit or Case of beer and 2 Pizzas? My choice is obvious, but...

What Would Trion Do?

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Originally Posted by MARKINEMPAC82S

its only as temporarly as you the player make it ego slows down at 900 so ul get ya $ worth

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I believe they are referring to the fact that once you max out a guns experience you no longer gain experience to your over all skill with that type of guns. So any gun you get has a clock on it as to how long you can use it.

The first thing they could do is change the boosts so they only countdown while you are logged in. It seems really nasty of Trion as a company to refuse to refund any money or give players who bought their boost before an unannounced down time anything back after running out the entire clock on the boost.

Sorry but I have to agree. I won't spend my money - right now. Lockboxes, Boosts, etc. are still useless and unnecessary. Trion should fix T3 and T4 lockboxes (better and rare Items), Boosts should be ingame Time not Realtime! That's why I don't spend any Microsoft Points (Bits). I love to play Defiance, but the ingame Store is useless for me (right now).

Fools and there money are easily parted. And they will be parted, because thats what they do. The simple option of being able to buy stuff in-game is more then enough reason for alot of people to spend, i doubt they will miss our money. ah who am i kidding take my money i need more inventory space.

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Originally Posted by Zabuza

So about $23...

Full Outfit or Case of beer and 2 Pizzas? My choice is obvious, but...

What Would Trion Do?

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Good god, don't ask them that....

£15 was a rough guess btw, I chose an outfit and head I liked then work out how many bits I would have to buy for it. Anywhere between £10-£15 (around $20) worth.

I will admit I spent $5 on a tier 4, worst decision ever, if you are going to have bit boxes they should have at least 1 or 2 orange or purples in them. People if your going to buy bits, put it into inventory spaces early on in the game. TBH thats the only thing worth buying.

Just don't buy lockboxes, and stop caring about epic and legendary weapons.

You can play the game absolutely fine with blue quality weapons. You don't even need to touch the mods.
There's no raiding, so there's no need for min/maxing.

This game is best played casually.
Casually do PvE pursuits, or casually play PvP. You don't need to go all "hardcore" on this game or rush for the best gear.

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Originally Posted by kingamish

No one's going to waste $ for weapons that we can only use for half a day before we have to salvage them and move on

The whole problem is the weapon skill leveling system that forces you to abandon almost every gun you run across. While it may be unique, you can't make good guns so relatively worthless and still expect people to pay for them. You have to either players incentive to keep the guns they have (like resetting the xp bar), or keep everything the same and find an alternative route for game revenue. -- even though everything in the store is already ridiculously overpriced. You can buy FULL GAMES on XBL for $10, or spend it on a crappy outfit?


Instead of nerfing all the rewards for events (hence making things like emergencies completely worthless) why not actually give us incentive to spend money on the game by adding content or improving lock boxes etcc

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I think their idea is. If it doesn't have a boss in it. No key codes.

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Originally Posted by hardy83

Just don't buy lockboxes, and stop caring about epic and legendary weapons.

You can play the game absolutely fine with blue quality weapons. You don't even need to touch the mods.
There's no raiding, so there's no need for min/maxing.

This game is best played casually.
Casually do PvE pursuits, or casually play PvP. You don't need to go all "hardcore" on this game or rush for the best gear.

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This pretty much sums it up, legendary weapons are not worth anything in this game, you can do everything with any crappy weapon you find in the world so paying real money for lockboxes just seems ridiculous to me.