Any difference between Normal and epic items?

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Originally Posted by Orge Lambart

So where is this major boon that Orange weapons have, they don't.

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Why do you expect them to have that at all...? Because traditional MMORPGs have conditioned you to think this way, right?

Where was it ever stated that oranges were designed to roflstomp all other weapon rarities? Nowhere, right? That's just an assumption you made.

As a whole oranges are generally the best weapons. They typically have the most bonuses attached. Sometimes the RNG spits out some really bad ones though and I would like to see more consistency between the rarities. If you're also after that then I agree with you there.

I'd like to see something like:

• White - No synergies, no bonuses, no nano.
• Green - No synergies, one bonus, possible nano.
• Blue - [2] synergy, one bonus OR two bonuses, nano.
• Purple - [2] synergy, two bonuses, nano.
• Orange - [4] synergy, three bonuses, nano.

I picked up a legendary FRC Heavy Assault Carbine the other day and it has no nano, no bonuses, and a [4] synergy. The weapon is horrible. This is obviously not supposed to be an orange weapon.

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Originally Posted by Dalthium

Slower queues, worse overall player experience.

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yeah i figured

When you find me a white Wolfhound with 1.15 crit, 1.25 crit increased mag size and synergy, you can say that whites = oranges.

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Originally Posted by Cavadus

I picked up a legendary FRC Heavy Assault Carbine the other day and it has no nano, no bonuses, and a [4] synergy. The weapon is horrible. This is obviously not supposed to be an orange weapon.

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lol i have the same weapon that im using for skill leveling but:
Its white rarity
Has acid nano
has no Synergy
one bonus.
and all the mod slots available
Sounds like my Assault rifle is better

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Originally Posted by IGears

Sounds like my Assault rifle is better

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Yes, your white is clearly better. The one I described is the worst orange I have ever heard of. As I said in the post you quoted, on the whole oranges are generally superior but for some reason the RNG will sometimes spit out horrible oranges and great whites/greens.

Which is why I went into the whole rarity consistency thing. In the post you quoted.

Did you read it?

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Originally Posted by Cavadus

Yes, your white is clearly better. The one I described is the worst orange I have ever heard of. As I said in the post you quoted, on the whole oranges are generally superior but for some reason the RNG will sometimes spit out horrible oranges and great whites/greens.

Which is why I went into the whole rarity consistency thing. In the post you quoted.

Did you read it?

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Yea the way you explained it in the earlier post is how I initially thought it did work. But you quickly learn that oranges can have no bonuses and the whole system seems flawed. I was fine with the no real progression if everytime I got an orange gun it had 3 bonuses, purple 2, blue 1 or whatever you would like it to be, but I have like 7 orange weapons and only 2 of them have 3 bonuses. Consistency would solve a lot of issues for me.

I think you have it figured out, but to reiterate, finding bad oranges doesn't mean they aren't designed to be better on average, just that you have bad luck and the system might benefit from more consistency.

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Originally Posted by Hithlum

When you find me a white Wolfhound with 1.15 crit, 1.25 crit increased mag size and synergy, you can say that whites = oranges.

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exactly. why even bother having rarity if theres no difference between them.

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Originally Posted by Cavadus

Why do you expect them to have that at all...? Because traditional MMORPGs have conditioned you to think this way, right?

Where was it ever stated that oranges were designed to roflstomp all other weapon rarities? Nowhere, right? That's just an assumption you made.

As a whole oranges are generally the best weapons. They typically have the most bonuses attached. Sometimes the RNG spits out some really bad ones though and I would like to see more consistency between the rarities. If you're also after that then I agree with you there.

I'd like to see something like:

• White - No synergies, no bonuses, no nano.
• Green - No synergies, one bonus, possible nano.
• Blue - [2] synergy, one bonus OR two bonuses, nano.
• Purple - [2] synergy, two bonuses, nano.
• Orange - [4] synergy, three bonuses, nano.

I picked up a legendary FRC Heavy Assault Carbine the other day and it has no nano, no bonuses, and a [4] synergy. The weapon is horrible. This is obviously not supposed to be an orange weapon.

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I expect you to see a difference between a white and an Orange weapon, the worst orange weapon should still be much better than the best white weapon. The fact that you have zero variance and even bonus stats aren't better on Orange weapons, you pointed it out yourself, some orange weapons are worse than white weapons. What is the point of having rarity at all if nothing special exist between the white and orange weapons.

It would be like ordering a chicken parm dinner at a five dollar hole in the wall restaurant and it being the exact same thing as ordering a chicken parm dinner at a 500 dollar a plate 5 star restaurant. Do you see where I'm going like this. Oranges should be the best weapons bottom line, if not base stats than atleast via bonuses and synergies.

Right now it's almost like the analogy I pointed out, Orange weapons are rare, then you get slapped in the face by pulling out a garbage one.

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Originally Posted by Thrasher

exactly. why even bother having rarity if theres no difference between them.

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You misunderstood him. What he described is possible for a purple or orange but not a white.