In-game auction house/market and mail system?

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Originally Posted by Merrin Nightbringer

I would absolutely agree with this. The forum IS the Defiance community, at least until we get some chat system upgrades...

An Auction House would be detrimental to bit sales- yes there are still outfits, vehicles, and inventory... but those are static: you buy them once, and then you have it. Not so with lockboxes. They are more like a lottery ticket.

You can see several threads of people, saying how they bought lockboxes with bits. This is clearly working for Trion. By adding an Auction House, they lose that income, because at that point, NO ONE needs lockboxes; you just go to the AH and get what you want. This makes Scrip extremely important, and minimizes Keycodes.

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exactly what i've said in numerous threads. once the scrip becomes important, you get scrip farmers and the inevitable chat/voice spam from the resellers. hopefully not much, but some, would likely show up. keys/lockboxes would still be important, but likely more important to those who re-sell items.

really though, WHY would an AH be of any use? There's nothing anyone would really want to buy since none of the guns are really that different, just more suited to a specific play style or taste.

An auction house wouldn't stop people from buying lockboxes.

How do you expect people get the items they are selling? Mob drops are ****.

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Originally Posted by Jandipoo

An auction house wouldn't stop people from buying lockboxes.

How do you expect people get the items they are selling? Mob drops are ****.

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Because there is not a way to get lockboxes without bits...

...oh wait

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Originally Posted by Jandipoo

An auction house wouldn't stop people from buying lockboxes.

How do you expect people get the items they are selling? Mob drops are ****.

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the items being sold would be at a level people could afford, obviously.

Some people just don't want to be forced to use an AH to gain money to buy new items at NPC vendors once the economy is established and inflates.

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Originally Posted by ironhands

auction houses/trade brokers are commonplace in MMORPGs, not so much in shooters, there aren't many MMO shooters to compare to, but planetside doesn't have one, nor do any of the lobby shooters, barring TF2 if that even counts. Just because it has the term MMO, doesn't mean it's expected to have the same features you may have seen in some other MMO sub-genres.

An AH is handy in those games, because the gear is vastly different across the game, as well as crafting components, and player produced items. Defiance has none of these things, and the gear is all relatively the same. Weapons are only marginally better.

An AH has nothing to do with community. You don't interact with the community to buy or sell items in any AH I've seen - other than EQ, but usually that's just an AFK player. Most often it's simply an automated vendor system. It could be argued that by bringing people to the forums to post, there is more of a community presence with the current method.

You would get the same effect as an AH in this game with a vendor with a much greater diversity and stock count.

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Planetside doesn't have an ah cause it doesn't have any gear so an ah is kinda pointless. You buy all your "gear" for real money from the store unless your dumb enough to spend 1k certs on a new gun when you could have bought it for like $5 instead and dumped thoose certs into your skills but I digress.

The gear in Defiance may not be vastly different right now but mark my words it WILL be in due time. If they seriously try to run this with no gear progression then once somebody hits max ego or even like 2500 they will be quitting. I've been shopping vendors for along time and while I have yet to get a decent epic saw or groundpounder I know my odds are ALOT better then wasting time opening boxes. I can even pick up blue mods while I am at it.

Currently this game allready has an "ah" anyway called the trade forums. Its just 10x harder then it needs to be to get anything done and we're asking for a quality of life improvement. That said there's only 2 gun slots a shield and a nade so if it comes to it I will work the trade forum. But a bank though is much needed so I can store my 8+ blue mods I collected without having to sort them everytime I run salvage. Its really annoying.

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Originally Posted by ironhands

the items being sold would be at a level people could afford, obviously.

Some people just don't want to be forced to use an AH to gain money to buy new items at NPC vendors once the economy is established and inflates.

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Firstly Nobody has ever in the history of MMO gaming to my knowledge had a gun put to there head and been forced to use an ah. This game offers plenty of scrip without an ah allready and the problem is actually TOO MUCH scrip and nothing to spend it on.

You seem to imply Trion would raise the vendor prices to account for inflation based on an ah. An ah does not cause inflation. In fact it dos the exact opposite because it allways has a tax on it that pulls scrip out of the economy. You seem to think an ah somehow generates wealth. This is not the case at all as it simply moves it around more efficiently.

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Originally Posted by ironhands

the items being sold would be at a level people could afford, obviously.

Some people just don't want to be forced to use an AH to gain money to buy new items at NPC vendors once the economy is established and inflates.

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Well, "those" people probably shouldn't be playing an MMO if they don't want to deal with an economy.

Also, you can't compare Defiance with games like Planetside. Apples and oranges.

You can however compare it to Tabula Rasa, which was another shooter with gear drops. It also had an AH.

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Originally Posted by Ctrain

The gear in Defiance may not be vastly different right now but mark my words it WILL be in due time. If they seriously try to run this with no gear progression then once somebody hits max ego or even like 2500 they will be quitting.

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Basing this on what, exactly? There's no gear progression in most if not all lobby shooters and they work fine.

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Originally Posted by Ctrain

Currently this game allready has an "ah" anyway called the trade forums. Its just 10x harder then it needs to be to get anything done and we're asking for a quality of life improvement.

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that achieves almost no improvement in the end

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Originally Posted by Ctrain

That said there's only 2 gun slots a shield and a nade so if it comes to it I will work the trade forum. But a bank though is much needed so I can store my 8+ blue mods I collected without having to sort them everytime I run salvage. Its really annoying.

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You don't need a bank to do this, they can tweak the inventory management screen to accomplish the same end goal.

Simply put, people need an easy way to sell cool items they find without having to wade through ******** on a forum and then hoping both parties log in at the same time.

An auction house is the only logical solution.

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Originally Posted by Jandipoo

Well, "those" people probably shouldn't be playing an MMO if they don't want to deal with an economy.

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who are you to tell people what games they can or cannot play?

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Originally Posted by Jandipoo

Also, you can't compare Defiance with games like Planetside. Apples and oranges.

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Not really, Defiance is closer to Planetside than it is to WoW. Shooter/twitch based, more focused on player skill than abilities and gear. What makes it closer to an MMORPG than Planetside?

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Originally Posted by Jandipoo

You can however compare it to Tabula Rasa, which was another shooter with gear drops. It also had an AH.

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... and when was the last time you played Tabula Rasa? Ohh....

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Originally Posted by Jandipoo

Simply put, people need an easy way to sell cool items they find without having to wade through ******** on a forum and then hoping both parties log in at the same time.

An auction house is the only logical solution.

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There is the answer to the most important question. You just want to sell your items for more than what the vendors give you. So, have the vendors give you more $ and you'd be just as happy, right? But what's the end-game, now that you've got the scrip, what do you plan to do with it?