For those of you know don't know, this is normal (Trion Layoffs)

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Originally Posted by Swampster

Go search yourself... they're all there! Not hard to find... I do believe Dahnesse(sp?) has been scuba diving with manta rays today...

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Can't stop laughing at that. Are you serious? Where's the evidence to support all this nonsense? Besides, I was asking the person I quoted/replied to.

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Originally Posted by Swampster

Go search yourself... they're all there! Not hard to find... I do believe Dahnesse(sp?) has been scuba diving with manta rays today...

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A lot of the people you're referring to are social media, or community people. I haven't seen many tweets from ACTUAL developers. I know one of the cutscene designers mentioned it though.

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Originally Posted by Chemikz

Can't stop laughing at that. Are you serious? Where's the evidence to support all this nonsense? Besides, I was asking the person I quoted/replied to.

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If you're too lazy to go look, then that's your lookout... but you shouldn't basically be calling people liars because you can't be bothered, and since when does it matter who replies? If what they are telling you is factual...

Here: i'll make it easy for you...

Quote from one dev:

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Massive layoff. But due to the number of people getting laid off, they have to give us 60 days heads up

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Quote from Director of Communities:

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Next up: night snorkeling with manta rays.

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Originally Posted by Chemikz

This happens all the time and it's not really that much of an issue. A company expands pre-development of a new project and then lets go of people once release is over. It's the way the industry works now. It's not bad news. The only bad news would be if a company got closed down.

The numbers required to develop and make Defiance and Storm Legion (Rift expansion) are much greater than what is required to run those games due to the size of the projects during development to the effort required to run it. Think cabin crews.

It's not because of 'fanboys' or 'poor sales' or even 'failed projects'.

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Actually, it's only normal when the game isn't meeting expectations. If Defiance were a roaring success like was planned, then there wouldn't have been layoffs. Layoffs like this do happen a lot, but not when games are successful.

Take into account that Trion develops MMOs, one of them being on multiple platforms...and this is basically a similar situation.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/...s-hit-harmonix

This is the post-launch phase for Defiance, and they have to focus on their unreleased projects.

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Originally Posted by thejx4

Take into account that Trion develops MMOs, one of them being on multiple platforms...and this is basically a similar situation.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/04/...s-hit-harmonix
This is the post-launch phase for Defiance, and they have to focus on their unreleased projects.

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Firstly it doesn't seem that similar... a small number of layoff vs mass layoffs. Bearing in mind the 60 days notice is only a requirement for a 'mass layoff' apparently.

That said, this game might have launched.. but it's been a botched launch with a veritable shopping list of problems that need resolving. They've already been fixing things at a glacial pace, and the patches they have been releasing have had a tendency either to not work, or screw things up further... So you think 'downsizing' is going to help that?

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Originally Posted by Chemikz

Care to share these tweets from supposed seasoned game designers and developers with multiple titles under their belts? Or this claim of the community relations director being in Hawaii or the Star Trek thing? Links or screenshots would do.

First I've heard of this and I'm a little sceptical.

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Here's one for you:

Vhalen:
https://twitter.com/Irontoe68
Tony Vhalen Garcia‏@Irontoe6810h

3 Tweets from yesterday:
Ever have one of those surreal days?
@quackmagic Thank you. Unfortunately, it is time to sets sails for other worlds.
@KTAMRadio I will always be a KTAM fan. Keep on rockin'!

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Dahanese:
Elizabeth Tobey Director of Community for Trion Worlds:
https://twitter.com/dahanese

May 15th:
HAWAII TIME

Night before the announcement:

Next up: night snorkeling with manta rays.

Later in the evening after the announcement:

This dinner is DELICIOUS AND I AM ENJOYING THIS GARDEN pic.twitter.com/61EdGzzEG7

Earlier today:
NOM pic.twitter.com/YlzdyaO52n

Few minutes ago:
Video: View from of a 400 foot deep crater. We got to watch the fog clear. When we first arrived it was... http://tmblr.co/Zy69FxlIwcrU

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Oh also, a few senior ex designers of Defiance commenting on the situation in comments to Scott Hartsman, former executive producer of Rift who left in January:
https://www.facebook.com/hartsman/po...51903094803906

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A recording of the Twitch TV live show for Rift where the Star Trek and (after the spamming chat begged on info on it all as well) the layoffs: http://www.twitch.tv/trionworlds/b/404734853

And I could go on and on.

Yeah. I was super sad about Tony getting the cut. All of us at KTAM were. He's a super awesome guy. :'(

Defiance team got cleaned out. Some are not getting severance packages due to poor performance. Even as Trion cuts it's losses with Defiance people still try to pretend everything is ok.

This game is an absolute disaster and it's time to cut losses and move on. Welcome to maintenance mode.

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Originally Posted by Miserere

Yeah. I was super sad about Tony getting the cut. All of us at KTAM were. He's a super awesome guy. :'(

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Yeah I just tweeted him actually, enjoyed his lore tidbits and insight on the alpha forums...