Following this logic, having the servers down all day must be a reward. I do agree that the system is entirely backwards though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch
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Following this logic, having the servers down all day must be a reward. I do agree that the system is entirely backwards though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch
You can fill the weapon experience bar faster than you can earn the salvage to reset the bar once you hit a certain EGO level, which means this system genuinely is broken. Costs need to cap at the 1000 EGO amounts, or at least to softcap there. Linearly-scaling costs without earning potential that scales equally is insane. I seriously don't know what they're thinking.
For leveling weapons, the only way this system can work is to "reverse twink" yourself with low-EGO weapons so you can afford the costs. Seriously, when the only viable use of a mechanic is something like that, you have officially screwed up.
I'm afraid to even look at my orange TACC shotgun that had +9 mag, so 32 round mag with a X1.40 mag mod. It's probably like 24 rounds now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaydogg
Regarding the cost of weapon reset, yeah, it's way too high. I don't mind that it costs something, but realistically, it takes less than an hour to max the xp on a dps weapon (BMG or Infector may take longer). I don't know about other people, but I'm not getting anywhere near 200k scrap in an hour. They should lower it to something reasonable, like more than what you would make in an hour, but less than something crazy like it is now.
Having everything in the salvage matrix so expensive that I never use it really isn't adding anything to the game. I pretty much save all my scrap for paying the crazy cost of adding mod slots to the few oranges I find and want to keep. I have no extra to pay crazy amounts for weapon reset.
Mine was only 35k or so.
Ego 1.3k+
Blue weapon near your ego level, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by FlippyCake
Costs scale linearly based on the weapon's EGO requirement and quality level. Other people are paying 5-7 times as much as you are.
(Read the rest of the thread :) )
Resetting weapons is a dumb idea in the first place and the fact that it's so expensive just proves Trion thinks the same way :rolleyes:
No, resetting items is a good idea. Promoting a system that has you trash your guns every so often to continue leveling your skill was the dumb idea. Making the price ridiculous is the dumb idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stickybuds
Can't see myself even bothering. But then again, I don't bother buying lockboxes anymore since the payoff is, at least for me, nearly non existent. I sell everything I get, then once or twice a week I spend a couple of hours hitting all the vendors and buy all the good purple items and level II and III mods I find. When they're maxed, I sell them and start over. I don't recover or salvage anything anymore.
And here we all thought the best new addition to the game was the weapon reset option and it turns out to be just a load of pow!
Punishing the players that spent time ingame getting EGO levels with absurd prices.
Roll back and shut down the claim/store section while fixing the ever appearing bugs upon patch days would seem logical, but hey! let's be stubborn and bleed the supporters of your game by making the prices stupidly high.
100-200k ark salvage to reset an higher ego rating weapon, you could probably re-level that weapon up three or four times before earning the salvage to reset it or another weapon.
And servers down means angry players and the store is still down.
Servers up and no store means happy players but no lolbits sales, but gives you time to fix the bugs without a raging ****storm.
I heard the devs and community managers in some game called Rift actually showed up on Public Test Servers and got feedback and even talked to the players.
But this is Defiance, we're defiant! Bits Store > Players.
Testing stuff before farting out a new patch? Nah... cba!
If your weapon skill is topped out, then you don't need to reset it. I'm sure you knew this already :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Justified
Ridiculous......... That is all.
Jaydogg, nobody is making you pay real money for lockboxes. I'm level 1300 and have bought my share of lockboxes by just playing the game and earning my keycodes. If you pay real money for fake money, I don't know what to say :) lol
The cost to modify weapons shouldn't go up, if the rate at which you get said salvage doesn't go up.
A shotgun with 32 rounds is ridiculous anyway. The shotguns are way overpowered when they have that many shells. I have always thought the shotguns needed nerfed on magazine size. Just my opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by Tessien
I realize trion isn't making me buy anything,but if you cant see how the company is nudging players toward the cash shop youll soon have an epiphany when you reach a higher ego level.Quote:
Originally Posted by RealHoosier07
EDIT: Jumped to conclusions, sorry Trion.
It's an option if you want.. You don't have to do it.. go buy a green gun and play with that..
Ofc they are tbh honest I'm surprised at how bad the cash store is. I expected a lot more items for Trion to make money on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaydogg
The only weapon I would like to have reset, simply because I cannot seem to find another, is the Frontier Shotgun with fire element. I can't seem to find one for the life of me.
This is how more and more games go... sadly... I feel this is mainly to get us to cover the game companys shortcomings which is not uncommon in any business just feels wrong to me.... Nickle and dime game players and change the course of how much you "depend" on real $ store the older a game gets. I support Trion and glad to have experienced Defiance and Rift which I will continue to play.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaydogg
ill break it down for you guys that don't understand why im pissed. I bought this game for the random loot aspect of it. I love games like diablo, torchlight, borderlands etc...
so now im ego 4400 and at this point the end game is either finding orange items or ones with perfect stats for me at least. coincidently the ONLY way to get anything orange is through the lockboxes. how do I do that without spending actual cash because I refuse to do so? well I can grind the same now boring coops over and over for keycodes, or do the same extremely easy arkfalls for keycodes which got old really fast. or I can use my method and break down all the garbage drops into arksalvage to buy keycodes with. which ive been ok with.
BUT having to spend in my eyes 200+ keycodes just to reset the weapon xp so I can enjoy and use this great gun to lvl up my gun skills with is outrageous. they either need to drastically lower the arksalvage cost or replace it with scrip, since scrip is basically pointless at this stage of the game
btw its not just resetting weapon xp that's sickingly expensive. it also costs a stupid amount to add a mod slot or remove mods
im sadly addicted to this game and see great potential in it, but if im not opening lockboxes or having fun using the weapons I don't see much reason to keep playing this game.
I see what you mean lol...no but honestly, I will never pay real money for fake video game money. I find it much more satisfying to play the game and earn what I get. To me, buying bits and basically having oranges handed to you just defeats the purpose of the game...for me anyways. The orange guns aren't so much better than the other guns that your at a disadvantage if you don't have one. I will play the game the way I have and earn my keycodes....getting my weapons and loot from earning them is what makes it rewarding to keep playing. I feel like I'm always working towards a goal..thats what makes it fun to me. But no....I will never buy bits.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaydogg
I don't want to sound like a ****** but at ego level 4400 (Nice job by the way) shouldn't your guns be at level 20 already? You shouldn't have the need to reset your weapons?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaydogg
After completing all the side missions and main missions I got real tired really fast doing the same ol same ol to level so I started with one weapon and just went from there. I am just about 2800 ego and almost all my guns are level 20 or close to it. I really don't have any need to reset them.
At 4400 you should have maxed your favourite weapon skill unless you really gotten it via full time 99 farming.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaydogg
I'm at 3975 and I have 4 maxed weapon types, saw-off/bmg/launchers at 10 and the rest at 15+.
However I do agree with you that salvage matrix costs are beyond ridiculous in general. If they are going to increase the cost at high EGO, then the high EGO weapons should scape for more as well. If they aren't willing to do that, then put a fixed modding/reset amount regardless of level because right now, high EGO players are been punished.
We (people with more than 2000 ego) should just pretend this new weapon reset thing does not exist.
I have about half the skills maxed out, however I found a high level orange nomad id like to use to lvl up my smgs. Was excited to get a lot of use out of it knowing the weapon reset was coming, but alas it will cost me too many keycodes err ark salvage to enjoy the gun and utilize the weapon reset.Quote:
Originally Posted by ISLAND3R
honestly I would run mine 99 like 5 times and get sick of it. I ranked up fast as hell getting 1st place at every arkfall using my lvl 20 lmg skill(18000 xp per). however it sucks now because I don't get xp anymore, can only increase ego doing the pursuits I haven't finished yet 80/104?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wtflag
They need to increase salvage looted with increasing ego...It's that simple! At ego 2800, I never get mod slots because of the ridiculous salvage cost. It would be nice to mod all weapons but its not fun when it takes days of salvage to mod one weapon. Ugh....:(
Prices are just silly now, out of spite i'll refuse to even buy bits due to the SLIGHTLY overtuned ark salvage prices for mod adding mod slots and weapon exp resets at higher ego levels.
I'm not 4400 but even for me, doing a weapon reset would atleast cost me between 100-150k which is quite alot.
Two days of farming possibly? And in that time I could max out my orange wolfhound 3-4 times atleast.
No to high prices, already spent a buttload on getting 4 mod slots on my oranges.
It's tough times man! Recession and shyte!! Nerf the prices bro!
WOW...just wow, if ppl stop and actually read the weapon stats whites have the same damage as your oh so dear purp or orange. Only difference is the one or two item stats. If being able to reload a stowed weapon or +200% melee damage etc.etc. is that important pay the salvage and don't whine about it. Salvage is easy to farm but too many ppl have chosen cry and moan instead of figuring out how to play this game(and I understand "playing" is becoming more and more difficult as "improvements and fixes are applied)1. max out loot perk(crit kill, explosive kill, melee kill whatever you enjoy most) to +3% 2. Get one of the scavenger weapon plus mods from Soleptor; this will be the most time consuming so don't wait to start. So now your at +3% to +5% drop from mobs 3. Farm Liberate, Soleptor mine, Motherlode, or 101 keys or a combination. Without the scavenger weapon and including boss keys I burn around 150 keys a night after a 3-4 hour session that includes vendor hopping every 30min
I Agree with you.
What is your EGO level? Because the issue some of the player here are concerned with is that a EGO 4000 player earns ark salvage at the same rate as an EGO 2000 player, but it costs significantly more ark salvage to mod/reset their weapons.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lordofbattle
It is like McDonalds decide to charge you twice the amount for the burger because you are older. It's essentially the same burger. You earn the same amount as the next guy. But because you are older (higher ego level) you pay more. How does that make sense?
amen to that brother.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myst
I think the +15% hipfire critical bonus on my orange smg is all the reason I need to want to find more orange, unless you can show me a white version with that same very powerful bonus. also you couldn't pay me to use the garbage smg and shotgun that have the scavenger synergy. might as well run around using a whiffle ball batQuote:
Originally Posted by Lordofbattle
Ehh, there are full auto combat shotguns in real life already that have a bigger mag than 32 rounds...I don't find it ridiculous that a sci-fi setting matches what already exists now. Oh, the real life one can fire mini grenade rounds as wells as several other types of shotgun ammo also.Quote:
Originally Posted by RealHoosier07
Oh great I'm 4,500...
Can't wait to see how much mine costs.
If the weapon reset is that high... Omfg, everybody is about to quit this game!!! WTF Trion!!!
Your telling me, I recently hit 4000, but yet I get punished for having higher EGO... Trion should at least increase salvage quantity drop rate the higher your EGO level is, or better yet add a default salvage matrix cost for removing mods, adding mod slots, etc. no matter your EGO level.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Oncoming Storm
Yeah I'd go play WoW if I wanted to use the same boring **** over and over and over and OVER...... again. I quite like finding new guns with different stats and adjusting my play style to suit the weapon at hand and you're not "trashing" anything, you get scrip or ark salvage in return for the weapon you no longer need.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch
Yes, but you don't get 50 times the ark salvage at ego 4000 as you do at ego 1, but the cost is that much higher. You get the same amount of ark salvage at all ego levels, but the cost is vastly more at higher ego levels. That is the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stickybuds
Must be an extremely high level weapon. My EGO rating is 2,566 and it only costs me 60,000 ark salvage to reset weapon mastery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaydogg