Playing since day 1

Love the game, great gameplay with Open World Play (so to speak), but PvP.. this is the worst PvP game I've ever played. PvP is flooded with people who suck and have to refer to Infectors and the Legendary Gold weapons that fire the Red Grenades.. someone told me they're called Consumer Couriers and Consumer Grenade Launchers? But yea, love the Open World gameplay, but PvP needs to be completely overhauled by removing Infectors from PvP. Only people who suck and can't get kills without the bugs doing their work, you need to play another game. Mickey Mouse Fun House should fit your style.

It sounds like you get killed by infectors a lot and are quite bitter.

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Originally Posted by Schmiznurf

It sounds like you get killed by infectors a lot and are quite bitter.

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Exactly haha....

As much as people bi*ch about Couriers they do take some skill to use. On the other side of that I do understand why people think geting a triple kill and a Cerberus destruction from 1 set of Courier shots is BS but it takes the right perk set to pull it off.

Couriers give me a chuckle when I'm killed by them. There I am, running, enjoying the wind on my helmet and bam! 2 sticky grenades on my beautiful self from a cloaker. I usually don't have time to finish, "Oh fuc..."

To be honest with you, I suck at PvP. I've never enjoyed it, and probably never will! Literally the only reason I PvP at all it to get my rep with Echelon up for the EGO Evolution pursuit. I wouldn't be surprised if there were quite a few other people in the same situation.

While there will always be overpowered combos in PvP (there is no way to avoid it), at the moment there are a lot of people simply trying to grind their rep and get out of there as soon as possible...

I find myself to be fairly successful in pvp and i dont use infector's. I actually trump most people's scores and KDR who do use them.

They are annoying sure but not OP by any means. With a limited range on them you just need to find locations where you stay out of their reach unless they come out from their hiding to chase you down.

Most of the time i can kill them with a shotty if they are close. Then i roll away to avoid additional dmg from bugs.

I would also ask what are the perks you use while pvp'ing?

Ones such as half damage for 3 seconds after shields break is good for infector's. Also the flat damage reduction perk as well as the bonus hp perk.

Sometimes im shocked out fast my shields break do in part of only a few infector shots landing on me but once they break i tend to survive it.

I use a VOT Fragger like most. 8 rounds with a close spread and shoots 2 burst per shot. My second weapon is something less used and i think highly underrated.

Its my sleeping giant and im always skeptical to share because it can become the most OP weapon in pvp when used correctly. And those who face me have seen its possibilities.

For me personally to play PVP ever again, They need to remove ego powers. (They wont) And they need to sort the balance situation out. Because as it stands now, Its not balanced.

Infectors followed by shotguns take basically NO SKILL to aim with. Yet get the same points and assist points as someone using a sniper or an AR etc. They take alot more skill to use.

They need to remove ego powers alltogether. No game where you can go invisble online has ever been succesful as far as i can remember. Crysis 2 ?

Its just a mess really. With people using the easiest method to get kills, Like most online games.

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Originally Posted by Giotto

For me personally to play PVP ever again, They need to remove ego powers. (They wont) And they need to sort the balance situation out. Because as it stands now, Its not balanced.

Infectors followed by shotguns take basically NO SKILL to aim with. Yet get the same points and assist points as someone using a sniper or an AR etc. They take alot more skill to use.

They need to remove ego powers alltogether. No game where you can go invisble online has ever been succesful as far as i can remember. Crysis 2 ?

Its just a mess really. With people using the easiest method to get kills, Like most online games.

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Halo? If you consider that successful, then you forgot about halo.

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Originally Posted by Brodaki

Halo? If you consider that successful, then you forgot about halo.

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Yeah i did forget about halo. But they do 2 things different. They give you a radar, And only one person can have a shotgun.

I like to run decoy with sensor sweep and make 75% of there build suddenly worthless, it makes me warm on the inside.

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Originally Posted by Brodaki

I like to run decoy with sensor sweep and make 75% of there build suddenly worthless, it makes me warm on the inside.

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i tried this as well. It seems though they need to increase the range of sensor sweep. Full 3 points is only 30 yards correct? and thats just within range of the anti sniping infector and easily in range of a shotguner to roll up to you quick enough.

I think they could balance sensor sweep too by allowing other people to see them and not just you. Now i could be mistaken and sensor sweep exsposes the cloaked players to everyone but yeah. An increase to the range would be nice. Maybe 40 yards or 60 yards.

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Originally Posted by Giotto

Yeah i did forget about halo. But they do 2 things different. They give you a radar, And only one person can have a shotgun.

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Defiance has a radar too and if by only one person can be cloaked rather than one person can have a shot gun. Everyone in Halo could have a shot gun or pistol or whatever. Just the cloak thing at least in Halo's 1 and 2 was something just the person who got it first had the advantage.

Personally my friends and I played with no radar in halo and it made us that much better of halo players. Dont remember crouch walking hid you from radars. lol

So many nubs used that thing like a crutch and wondered wtf when you came up on their camp spots crouched and rdy to blow.

I would love an increase in range, but that said from my personal experience most cloak users are as predictable as the rain. So 30yard is plenty if the same 4 dumb ***** are gonna run hallways/middle building/B like its a religion.

Frankly I think they should completly unhook PVP from PVE and balance the weapons for each. The PVPers cried about shottys, then they got nerfed, and now its Infectors so you can bet they'll be next. And after them it will be SMGs, Assault Rifles or LMGs, and so on, untill every weapon is worthless and in the mean time, the rest of us that play PVE get punished with weaker and weaker tools.

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Originally Posted by Brodaki

I would love an increase in range, but that said from my personal experience most cloak users are as predictable as the rain. So 30yard is plenty if the same 4 dumb ***** are gonna run hallways/middle building/B like its a religion.

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I agree and in Freight Yard i love to use Decoy on the roof tops then jump down and fight to only then teleport back up to the roof for clean up. It works like a charm.

But i would love for the range to cover middle B and the two opposing roofs and the sub floors beneath. This could provide some interesting strategies for organized teams. Have 1 or 2 decoy users take the roof and rotate decoys when the action is getting hot while your cloak guys run around the floors and hallways for clean up.

Me, i cover everything with my Mass Launcher of destruction. Cloaks can't hid for to long and it only takes 4 shots for me to have my cloak right back up.

Heck, i shoot it high into the air to just provide some carpet bombing over points before i go cloak and scout the area with my shotty. Find no one? Find a safe spot and make it rain again. 10 seconds and im back in cloak.

Its amazing!

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Originally Posted by Satsuki

Frankly I think they should completly unhook PVP from PVE and balance the weapons for each. The PVPers cried about shottys, then they got nerfed, and now its Infectors so you can bet they'll be next. And after them it will be SMGs, Assault Rifles or LMGs, and so on, untill every weapon is worthless and in the mean time, the rest of us that play PVE get punished with weaker and weaker tools.

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Thank you for not adding to your list my Mass Launchers. I find them highly useful and a bit OP when you can kill anyone in 1 shot. (^-^)

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Originally Posted by Archangel

Thank you for not adding to your list my Mass Launchers. I find them highly useful and a bit OP when you can kill anyone in 1 shot. (^-^)

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Dont worry, they still have plenty of torches they'll get to your beloved launcher in time.

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Originally Posted by Satsuki

Frankly I think they should completly unhook PVP from PVE and balance the weapons for each. The PVPers cried about shottys, then they got nerfed, and now its Infectors so you can bet they'll be next. And after them it will be SMGs, Assault Rifles or LMGs, and so on, untill every weapon is worthless and in the mean time, the rest of us that play PVE get punished with weaker and weaker tools.

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I 100% agree with you!

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Originally Posted by Shadestryke

To be honest with you, I suck at PvP. I've never enjoyed it, and probably never will! Literally the only reason I PvP at all it to get my rep with Echelon up for the EGO Evolution pursuit. I wouldn't be surprised if there were quite a few other people in the same situation.

While there will always be overpowered combos in PvP (there is no way to avoid it), at the moment there are a lot of people simply trying to grind their rep and get out of there as soon as possible...

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On the exact same boat as you my friend. I'm still hopeful that sieges will somehow get you Echelon rep. Hopefully they'll realize that forcing people that enjoy the PvE aspect of the game to join PvP is a bad idea. The more I PvP the more I dislike it. I'm about ready to give up on the rep thing.

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Originally Posted by DanNine

On the exact same boat as you my friend. I'm still hopeful that sieges will somehow get you Echelon rep. Hopefully they'll realize that forcing people that enjoy the PvE aspect of the game to join PvP is a bad idea. The more I PvP the more I dislike it. I'm about ready to give up on the rep thing.

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If I didn't want the Ark Hunter armour, I would have given up on this entirely long ago - probably even before I actually started! I can live without the PvP pursuits, but after putting so much time and effort into getting as far as I have, I'll be damned if I give up now! :D

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Originally Posted by Shadestryke

To be honest with you, I suck at PvP. I've never enjoyed it, and probably never will! Literally the only reason I PvP at all it to get my rep with Echelon up for the EGO Evolution pursuit. I wouldn't be surprised if there were quite a few other people in the same situation.

While there will always be overpowered combos in PvP (there is no way to avoid it), at the moment there are a lot of people simply trying to grind their rep and get out of there as soon as possible...

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im with you on that, i despise the pvp and im only playing it for the rep. once i have trusted with echelon i will never play the crappy pvp again.

Am I the only person to simply roll with the current most effective weapon/build and tries to do better than my clones instead of coming here and demanding the devs change the game to suit my personal weapon perference?

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Originally Posted by Wtflag

Am I the only person to simply roll with the current most effective weapon/build and tries to do better than my clones instead of coming here and demanding the devs change the game to suit my personal weapon perference?

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Yes you are sir. This is the internet that's what people do here.

i play since alfa test.i saw arkfalls without textures XD.i like the game too and same as u i hate pvp in here.
this game is like a big tasty pizza but half backed.u feel the taste but u know that is not ready yet.

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Originally Posted by Wtflag

Am I the only person to simply roll with the current most effective weapon/build and tries to do better than my clones instead of coming here and demanding the devs change the game to suit my personal weapon perference?

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yeah.u do like all noskilled players and cowards. u dont want to change anything coz u afraid that if pvp would have a good balance u will suck like all your "clones".

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Originally Posted by Laughing Man

yeah.u do like all noskilled players and cowards. u dont want to change anything coz u afraid that if pvp would have a good balance u will suck like all your "clones".

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Don't be silly.

I have already said I have no qualms about using the strongest most effective combination of weapon/perks. Given that I have already unlocked 95% of the entire perk tree and nearly max every weapon skill, I will have not difficulty adjusting my build to whatever is "OP" at the moment.

And there will always be one OP build. Always. Be it cloak shotgun today or blur charge blade tomorrow or overcharge FRC Saw the day after, there will always be one setup everyone will complain about because that setup isn't what he is using. Logically, if they keep nerfing the weapons you hate, eventually the weapon/skill you like will become the OP weapon/skill of the month. And then they will come for you.

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Originally Posted by Shadestryke

While there will always be overpowered combos in PvP (there is no way to avoid it), at the moment there are a lot of people simply trying to grind their rep and get out of there as soon as possible...

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This is me. Except that I don't even bother with contracts. At some point, I'll jump back in to do the pursuits, or at least a couple. (Come to think of it, the only time I've willingly played PvP is for an episode contract.)

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Originally Posted by Wtflag

Don't be silly.

I have already said I have no qualms about using the strongest most effective combination of weapon/perks. Given that I have already unlocked 95% of the entire perk tree and nearly max every weapon skill, I will have not difficulty adjusting my build to whatever is "OP" at the moment.

And there will always be one OP build. Always. Be it cloak shotgun today or blur charge blade tomorrow or overcharge FRC Saw the day after, there will always be one setup everyone will complain about because that setup isn't what he is using. Logically, if they keep nerfing the weapons you hate, eventually the weapon/skill you like will become the OP weapon/skill of the month. And then they will come for you.

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no no no blur and OC u can see and kill BUT clock cant.if u will see only footsteps or something like this this would be more interesting to play wwith or against.noobs who use clock they are afraid of direct combat.no matter if u play allways as spy or something .only thing that is annoing that u cant see enemie or hear them!!!sorry but this is true.

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Originally Posted by Wtflag

Am I the only person to simply roll with the current most effective weapon/build and tries to do better than my clones instead of coming here and demanding the devs change the game to suit my personal weapon perference?

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It's surprising. I roll the most effective weapon/build in PvP and I can assure you that I have seen very few of my clones (No more than a dozen in one month of PvP).

Can you be more specific about what you consider the most effective weapon/build you are talking about ? Because, you know, I think you are mistaking and actually playing an ersatz...

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Originally Posted by UnchartedDestiny

Love the game, great gameplay with Open World Play (so to speak), but PvP.. this is the worst PvP game I've ever played. PvP is flooded with people who suck and have to refer to Infectors and the Legendary Gold weapons that fire the Red Grenades.. someone told me they're called Consumer Couriers and Consumer Grenade Launchers? But yea, love the Open World gameplay, but PvP needs to be completely overhauled by removing Infectors from PvP. Only people who suck and can't get kills without the bugs doing their work, you need to play another game. Mickey Mouse Fun House should fit your style.

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I do much better when I snipe or use an assault rifle. But because of posts like this I get a lot of joy out of using infectors. And honestly my K/D ratio goes down when I use them all round. But just knowing someone is pissed because I use a certain weapon in the game, that doesn't even give me an unfair advantage, makes me smile.

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Originally Posted by Dyoda

I do much better when I snipe or use an assault rifle. But because of posts like this I get a lot of joy out of using infectors. And honestly my K/D ratio goes down when I use them all round. But just knowing someone is pissed because I use a certain weapon in the game, that doesn't even give me an unfair advantage, makes me smile.

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What a great example of our culture.

PvP the least fun iv had in a game for a while,

Shotguns and now Infectors,
Someone point me out the next weapon to start the Nerf thread for pvp

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Originally Posted by jbob spittlewop

What a great example of our culture.

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Just to be clear I PVP very little. This shooter is far from good as a competitive game. I play very casually so mostly PVE.

PvP should have never made it into the final build....

Trion should have kept it to themselves, and worked on it to the point where it actually works. Weapons balance is still needed, but some moron @ T thought it made sense to tie the weapons/perks/etc from PvE to PvP, so the 2 are intertwined in ******edness, rather than make the 2 COMPLETELY SEPARATE.

This way, when their lack of know-how in balancing MP weapons falls short, they simply nerf the entire weapon as a whole, messing with all PvE players in the process. F***ing with EVERYONE in the process just to remedy a small problem in 1 aspect of the game... hmm makes absolutely no sense. But hey, why start now Trion?

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Originally Posted by DanNine

On the exact same boat as you my friend. I'm still hopeful that sieges will somehow get you Echelon rep. Hopefully they'll realize that forcing people that enjoy the PvE aspect of the game to join PvP is a bad idea. The more I PvP the more I dislike it. I'm about ready to give up on the rep thing.

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I would love to be able to get ECHELON rep in a co-op mode I want to play and get 1000/1000 but i won't because of this teams rep. All my friends don't play PVP either , they have tried it and won't play it again.

Everyone is wondering why PVP sucks so bad and I'm wondering why this MMO shooter doesn't have 2 factions and a PVP server. Man...how fun would that be. I'm dreamin.

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Originally Posted by Shadestryke

To be honest with you, I suck at PvP. I've never enjoyed it, and probably never will! Literally the only reason I PvP at all it to get my rep with Echelon up for the EGO Evolution pursuit. I wouldn't be surprised if there were quite a few other people in the same situation.

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Yes, except that I've simply resigned myself to never getting that pursuit. No one makes me PvP. Not even game designers.

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Originally Posted by SYN BLACK XS

PvP should have never made it into the final build....

Trion should have kept it to themselves, and worked on it to the point where it actually works. Weapons balance is still needed, but some moron @ T thought it made sense to tie the weapons/perks/etc from PvE to PvP, so the 2 are intertwined in ******edness, rather than make the 2 COMPLETELY SEPARATE.

This way, when their lack of know-how in balancing MP weapons falls short, they simply nerf the entire weapon as a whole, messing with all PvE players in the process. F***ing with EVERYONE in the process just to remedy a small problem in 1 aspect of the game... hmm makes absolutely no sense. But hey, why start now Trion?

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You make a good point. What's weird is Trion is awesome at balancing this kind of thing in another game. Played rift for a while and they did an outstanding job. Don't understand why they are going with a one-size-fits-all approach to this one.

I played 1 PvP game for sure, never went there again. And this is the game that made me stop playing COD...