Think ...Not everyone is elite players

Played PvE the other day, since I'm new to the game, I do not know what to shoot at, so I killed everything I saw.. both...small to large "bugs" Y that was fun for a time.
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I do not mind that people say do not shoot the little "bugs" try to go for the big ones-.
That's the way things are said I react, I do not like being called dumba .. or get lots of F words.. because I shoot small "bugs".
Or is there something I do not understand .. are bad words throwing by other players ..normally in online games?
Finally,, I like the game very well.

sorry for my bad English,

luckily, in this game you can shoot whatever you want. you dont have to listen to those folks if you dont want to. there are some "bugs" that wont give you any loot or XP. you SHOULDNT kill them.........but you can if you want to. ammo is free here, shoot it

Well, its not so great they are cursing, though I have to admit I get pretty upset when people roll in and start killing the skitters also. Yeees, you can kill the crystal without them.. it just takes three times as long.

I hate the ignorance excuse since the entire time you are at the Arkfall you have EGO shouting at you "Look! That Skitterling just bit a hole in the crystal!" over and over and over. I figured it out in 5 seconds flat my first time, and I freely admit I am not the brightest star in the sky.. so whats everyone else's excuse?

There really is no reason to be killing skitterlings at a destroy the crystal Arkfall, except to be selfish and only care about "your kills" .. so yes, it makes alot of people upset.

I personally let people play there own game and focus on the job at hand myself, Kill all and shoot everything works well for me :)

You don't have to be elite to understand why not to shoot the skitterlings at arkfalls. Unless it is a wave arkfall, the skitterlings bite the crystal and make the weakspots appear... The weakspots allow you to do extra damage to the crystal... and the weakspots can't be revealed without leaving the skitterlings alone. The skitterlings are also incredibly weak. Just connect the dots, it is not difficult. Generally everywhere else you should do what you please, but arkfalls are "supposed" to be a team effort, so you should be a team player. c:

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Originally Posted by Gratty

so you should be a team player. c:

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Realize that it is a team task .. as I said
"I do not mind that people say do not shoot the little "bugs" try to go for the big ones-."
That's the way things are said I react, I do not like being called dumba .. or get lots of F words.. because I shoot small "bugs".
Fortunately, I have learned so now I understand why shoot big things not small things

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Originally Posted by KalleK2

Played PvE the other day, since I'm new to the game, I do not know what to shoot at, so I killed everything I saw.. both...small to large "bugs" Y that was fun for a time.
But:
I do not mind that people say do not shoot the little "bugs" try to go for the big ones-.
That's the way things are said I react, I do not like being called dumba .. or get lots of F words.. because I shoot small "bugs".
Or is there something I do not understand .. are bad words throwing by other players ..normally in online games?
Finally,, I like the game very well.

sorry for my bad English,

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There's never any excuse for people to start name calling. These same people probably shot the little bugs (skitterlings) when they started playing, too.

You are free to shoot at what you want to and sometimes it is beneficial especially when just starting the game to shoot even the skitterlings that are biting the crystal-you may have boosts for loot and scrip and can get ammo from them), but here's what people should have told you.

There are different types of arkfalls. The one hellbug one with red crystals features skitterlings that bite the crystal-they help the player because you do more damage by shooting the spots they've bitten. At the end of the arkfall, there's a leaderboard and the top players are those that do the most damage to the main parts of the arkfall. They are the ones that did more damage to crystals AND to the main boss (the matron or the baby bug that pops out of the hellion's head or that flies around-for hellbug arkfalls).

It also can take longer to destroy the red crystal if you don't have the skitterlings' help. If I use my SAW on the crystal normally, I may do 71 in damage. If I hit a skitterling bite, I may do 800 in damage.

But there is also a Pursuit where you have to kill 2500 enemies at major arkfalls, so some people will target skitterlings. They're easier to get the kill shot on. For me, it's all but impossible in this game to be credited with the kill on the larger targets-even when I know I've killed them, the game will not credit me with them.

My attitude at the crystals is I don't target the skitterlings but I don't avoid them, either. I tend to try to direct my attack at the crystal and at the bigger foes but I try a variety of weapons and some have a larger area of effect so skitterlings will die-I can't avoid it. And I have not noticed it taking an extremely long time to destroy the crystal.

And yeah, EGO does say the skitterlings are biting the crystal and all, but still people do have different understanding of all that is going on and sometimes there's a lot of chaos. It's also debatable in the game as to whether it's best to destroy the crystal right away or try to get in a lot of kills. Especially at this time, I haven't once had an arkfall that was even in danger of not being completed in time. That used to happen early on, but not now.

When somebody starts shouting "orders" I do the complete opposite.
I target the little guys and make dam sure to do my best before they get to the crystal.

The point? Why? Because we can play the game how we want and if you want to be a shouty ****** then I too will be the instrument of Karma and be a ****** back.

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Originally Posted by KalleK2

Realize that it is a team task .. as I said
"I do not mind that people say do not shoot the little "bugs" try to go for the big ones-."
That's the way things are said I react, I do not like being called dumba .. or get lots of F words.. because I shoot small "bugs".

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Well, I'd say it's a team task if it wasn't for the fact that the whole idea is we are all ark hunters and in the story ark hunters are competing against each other. That's why only one person gets credited with the boss kill shot even though everyone gets some xp from it. It's why there is a leaderboard. The only thing that really leads to the idea of it being a team thing is the BMG and revive.

People need to practice more understanding and if they really were working as a team then they wouldn't be calling anyone names over this. Instead they could say "shoot the crystal, not the small bugs" or "the small bugs bite the crystal so stop killing them". Something to actually be helpful to a team member. In all the teambuilding seminars I've taken I've never seen where calling someone a dumba** is a skill to be utilized.

It doesn't help that the three tiers of "Ark Hunter" pursuits require you to ultimately rack up 2500 kills at major arkfalls. Even the seasoned pros who know better will routinely kill everything in sight if they are specifically trying to complete those pursuits.

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Originally Posted by Shada Mori

Well, its not so great they are cursing, though I have to admit I get pretty upset when people roll in and start killing the skitters also. Yeees, you can kill the crystal without them.. it just takes three times as long.

I hate the ignorance excuse since the entire time you are at the Arkfall you have EGO shouting at you "Look! That Skitterling just bit a hole in the crystal!" over and over and over. I figured it out in 5 seconds flat my first time, and I freely admit I am not the brightest star in the sky.. so whats everyone else's excuse?

There really is no reason to be killing skitterlings at a destroy the crystal Arkfall, except to be selfish and only care about "your kills" .. so yes, it makes alot of people upset.

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EGO is shouting in his/her ear to let the little ones by to bite the crystal, but... She's shouting in English. The OP doesn't feel good about his/her English skills.

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Originally Posted by KalleK2

Played PvE the other day, since I'm new to the game, I do not know what to shoot at, so I killed everything I saw.. both...small to large "bugs" Y that was fun for a time.
But:
I do not mind that people say do not shoot the little "bugs" try to go for the big ones-.
That's the way things are said I react, I do not like being called dumba .. or get lots of F words.. because I shoot small "bugs".
Or is there something I do not understand .. are bad words throwing by other players ..normally in online games?
Finally,, I like the game very well.

sorry for my bad English,

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be glad it's not CoD, 10 year olds dropping f-bombs and worse for no reason other than to aggravate you. One of the reasons I hate multiplayer unless I'm either with friends or a clan I know well.

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Originally Posted by MagellanD

When somebody starts shouting "orders" I do the complete opposite.
I target the little guys and make dam sure to do my best before they get to the crystal.

The point? Why? Because we can play the game how we want and if you want to be a shouty ****** then I too will be the instrument of Karma and be a ****** back.

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what he said. the game can be played anyway you want.

Maybe he is role playing Chaotic Neutral? I'd do it. ;)

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Originally Posted by Indra Echo

Well, I'd say it's a team task if it wasn't for the fact that the whole idea is we are all ark hunters and in the story ark hunters are competing against each other. That's why only one person gets credited with the boss kill shot even though everyone gets some xp from it. It's why there is a leaderboard. The only thing that really leads to the idea of it being a team thing is the BMG and revive.

People need to practice more understanding and if they really were working as a team then they wouldn't be calling anyone names over this. Instead they could say "shoot the crystal, not the small bugs" or "the small bugs bite the crystal so stop killing them". Something to actually be helpful to a team member. In all the teambuilding seminars I've taken I've never seen where calling someone a dumba** is a skill to be utilized.

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People in general are rude and ignorant on the internet. That is no excuse for them to be rude, but it is out of our control. Either we retaliate at their rude behavior or we ignore it. C'est la vie.

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Originally Posted by Shada Mori

I hate the ignorance excuse since the entire time you are at the Arkfall you have EGO shouting at you "Look! That Skitterling just bit a hole in the crystal!" over and over and over. I figured it out in 5 seconds flat my first time, and I freely admit I am not the brightest star in the sky.. so whats everyone else's excuse?

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i've played with 0 in-game sound since day one. the only way i figured out about the bites was when i got to an arkfall first and saw a skittering run up and bite it, then i shot the crystal there and it clicked.

basically if you don't have sound on or read ego's irritating message it will take longer to figure out not to shoot the skitters.

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Originally Posted by MagellanD

When somebody starts shouting "orders" I do the complete opposite.
I target the little guys and make dam sure to do my best before they get to the crystal.

The point? Why? Because we can play the game how we want and if you want to be a shouty ****** then I too will be the instrument of Karma and be a ****** back.

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Hahahha, yes a man of my own heart!

Advice is great, but trying to be my boss, and not paying me....will not work lol

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Originally Posted by Yokai

It doesn't help that the three tiers of "Ark Hunter" pursuits require you to ultimately rack up 2500 kills at major arkfalls. Even the seasoned pros who know better will routinely kill everything in sight if they are specifically trying to complete those pursuits.

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Yep and a heck of a lot of players used cluster grenades and detonators at the crystals. What really helped me for the 2500 kills was a glitched arkfall. I welcomed it since I could then use my SMG and shoot a lot of skitterlings. I didn't get most of my kills that way, but it helped me when I was at 2400+.

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Originally Posted by Gratty

People in general are rude and ignorant on the internet. That is no excuse for them to be rude, but it is out of our control. Either we retaliate at their rude behavior or we ignore it. C'est la vie.

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Sure, I do know that. I think you've played Dark Souls. Well, in Demon's Souls (I've played both) I'd often invade naked as I called it-no equipment because I was trying to get things and then be killed by the player I invaded. I can't tell you how often people would message me telling me that I sucked as a player after they killed me. I think the clue would have been that I had no weapon and no armor and I wasn't fighting, but they still needed to tell me that. I had many good laughs over that stuff.

It is true that in all games people will verbally attack others and are rude. I've played CoD games and yet even in Uncharted 2 I had someone trash talk me and tell me all about my mother's private parts. The problem is that a lot of great people are often ignored because of the idiots.

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Originally Posted by Miserere

Maybe he is role playing Chaotic Neutral? I'd do it. ;)

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I guess I could be considered that.
Im quite good at helping people. I still go back to the crash site and look for people who want to group up and want help early on.
It just completely sucks that none of my crap weapons they can use at a low EGO rating. I think it really diminishes the help and "co-op" of the game because im all for just giving some stuff to newbs to help out and make them feel good about the players of the game.

However for shtakos and giggles I will shoot a random explosive barrel while a stranger is near it. Doesn't matter who or what they are and if they're part of my group or not. Hell even my consistent friends aren't immune. Ask Grit. But he will also give it back. it keeps my senses sharp ;)

The Commander/Sgt/General barking orders just pushes me more towards that chaotic side. I got 50k kills to achieve and now only a couple hundred off all my ark hunting pursuits. I WILL go for the easy repeated kill.

if i see people killing small bugs i just leave the arkfall cause its likely to fail so why waste my time, i've done the kill farming myself though when i was the only person at a arkfall during late night time and it didnt affect anyone, got like 350 kills on on a single krystal

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Originally Posted by AmnesiaHaze

if i see people killing small bugs i just leave the arkfall cause its likely to fail so why waste my time, i've done the kill farming myself though when i was the only person at a arkfall during late night time and it didnt affect anyone, got like 350 kills on on a single krystal

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Where are you arkfalling? You could take a ton of time and they don't fail. Worst that happens is it glitches itself. I've NEVER seen an arkfall fail because people are attacking the skitterlings. Also have you noticed when the last mini is done the timer resets and you have 20 MINUTES to finish the "last boss"

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Originally Posted by AmnesiaHaze

if i see people killing small bugs i just leave the arkfall cause its likely to fail so why waste my time

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...not sure if serious

i have never seen an arkfall fail unless it's bugged

kill anything that crawls flies or shoots at you,if others dont like it then tough its your game you play it however you want to

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Originally Posted by greatdividers

...not sure if serious

i have never seen an arkfall fail unless it's bugged

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Great minds think alike.

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Originally Posted by AmnesiaHaze

if i see people killing small bugs i just leave the arkfall cause its likely to fail so why waste my time, i've done the kill farming myself though when i was the only person at a arkfall during late night time and it didnt affect anyone, got like 350 kills on on a single krystal

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I don't get this at all. Even early on where arkfalls did take longer I never had one fail due to skitterling murder. The only one (1) that ever did have a non-glitch failure was a scrapper one where no one seemed to be able to get a shot in on the hidden heat sink and that too might have been a glitch. Time did run out on that one.

I have a really hard time believing this since "late night" is a different actual time for everyone and I've never seen any arkfall with no other players-I've done some parts of the crystal portion by myself but that's usually because a lot of players went to a different crystal.

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Originally Posted by MagellanD

Great minds think alike.

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simple minds seldom differ ^_^

Iv noticed the arkfalls in sanf dont get mobed as hard late at night but whatever Its still very rare to see an arkfall fail because it ran out of time,

The stop killing skitterings thing is getting worn out, yeah I will shoot the crystal when the bugs bite it, usually at the start theres just a few people and it goes ok, once it fills up forget it, if people are aoeing Ill tun on the crystal, it goes down with plenty of time.

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Originally Posted by greatdividers

...not sure if serious

i have never seen an arkfall fail unless it's bugged

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i have witnessed a couple of arkfalls fail because of many people driving in cars around the crystal, you probably didnt play enough arkfalls yet

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Originally Posted by Indra Echo

I don't get this at all. Even early on where arkfalls did take longer I never had one fail due to skitterling murder. The only one (1) that ever did have a non-glitch failure was a scrapper one where no one seemed to be able to get a shot in on the hidden heat sink and that too might have been a glitch. Time did run out on that one.

I have a really hard time believing this since "late night" is a different actual time for everyone and I've never seen any arkfall with no other players-I've done some parts of the crystal portion by myself but that's usually because a lot of players went to a different crystal.

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well since the servers is european based , at times like 4am in the morning u see just a few people on arkfalls if any at all , the ones that failed were already in progress and we had not very much time left, we could have made it if people would not drive over each n every small bug

Players cursing online is somewhat more common than people cursing in real life.

That said, when your EGO is telling you over and over that the skitterlings are creating weak points and other players are telling you to stop, if you're still shooting them, then yeah, you are a dumba__. If you want people to stop pointing that out, you need to stop acting like one.

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Originally Posted by Gratty

You don't have to be elite to understand why not to shoot the skitterlings at arkfalls. Unless it is a wave arkfall, the skitterlings bite the crystal and make the weakspots appear... The weakspots allow you to do extra damage to the crystal... and the weakspots can't be revealed without leaving the skitterlings alone. The skitterlings are also incredibly weak. Just connect the dots, it is not difficult. Generally everywhere else you should do what you please, but arkfalls are "supposed" to be a team effort, so you should be a team player. c:

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Please stop making sense, and take your logic to another board.
There's no place for 'cooperation' here in a co-op game. What's the matter?
Get dropped a lot as a kid?

And put my name on your newsletter mailing list, please.

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Originally Posted by MagellanD

I guess I could be considered that.
Im quite good at helping people. I still go back to the crash site and look for people who want to group up and want help early on.
It just completely sucks that none of my crap weapons they can use at a low EGO rating. I think it really diminishes the help and "co-op" of the game because im all for just giving some stuff to newbs to help out and make them feel good about the players of the game.

However for shtakos and giggles I will shoot a random explosive barrel while a stranger is near it. Doesn't matter who or what they are and if they're part of my group or not. Hell even my consistent friends aren't immune. Ask Grit. But he will also give it back. it keeps my senses sharp ;)

The Commander/Sgt/General barking orders just pushes me more towards that chaotic side. I got 50k kills to achieve and now only a couple hundred off all my ark hunting pursuits. I WILL go for the easy repeated kill.

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Ok I admit it... I do the same thing where explosive barrels are concerned.

To anyone who MAY have gotten downed at the Diablo Oil Refinery... Sry bout that.

To the OP... sorry you got the reaction that you did from players at the Arkfall, but you should realize that it was probably out of frustration due to the overwhelming percentage of players who troll the skitterlings preventing alot of players from destroying the crystal the intended way.It was less a personal attack than you think.

Me, myself personally gave up on the whole skitterling -bite crystal-shoot crystal and jes shoot anything that moves, because I know it wont be long before the dip-sh#^ caravan rolls in and starts trolling out lobbers all around the crystal leaving no enimies to shoot and no weak spot on the crystal.

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Originally Posted by crasher

Please stop making sense, and take your logic to another board.
There's no place for 'cooperation' here in a co-op game. What's the matter?
Get dropped a lot as a kid?

And put my name on your newsletter mailing list, please.

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Most confusing post evar

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Originally Posted by Yokai

It doesn't help that the three tiers of "Ark Hunter" pursuits require you to ultimately rack up 2500 kills at major arkfalls. Even the seasoned pros who know better will routinely kill everything in sight if they are specifically trying to complete those pursuits.

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See, I don't completely understand that logic.
I'm not trying to be rude, so bear with me.
The 'goal' isn't an 'ASAP' goal by default. It's just as valid to be a 'lifetime achievement', that comes as you play.
If you make the goals the point of any given day you miss other ones that would also have occurred naturally during routine game play.
The ultimate Goal is to kill NIM, And if I run there directly I miss all the little stuff along the way that I would have gotten had I walked from one end to the other gathering it all in as I went. So Then I go back and do nothing but rez's for my '100', missing the chance to shoot enemies. Then I do nothing but run around grabbing the recorders that I would have gotten while I was shooting enemies anyway.....
I'm NOT requiring you to believe that 'my' way is the best, but it's the one 'I' understand best.

Live long, and prosper, or words to that effect.

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Originally Posted by crasher

Please stop making sense, and take your logic to another board.
There's no place for 'cooperation' here in a co-op game.
edited out.

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Most confusing post evar

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i·ron·ic

/īˈränik/
Adjective

1. Using or characterized by irony.
2. Happening in the opposite way to what is expected, thus typically causing wry amusement.

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Originally Posted by Shogo_Yahagi

Players cursing online is somewhat more common than people cursing in real life.

That said, when your EGO is telling you over and over that the skitterlings are creating weak points and other players are telling you to stop, if you're still shooting them, then yeah, you are a dumba__. If you want people to stop pointing that out, you need to stop acting like one.

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I think this is the problem and why some people lose their tempers and start with the insults. The game is telling you what needs to be done. It doesn't help when you have those anti-social trolls who kill the skitterlings because they "think they're the instrument of Karma".

There's a time and place for everything in MMO's and at a red crystal fall you need to co-operate. If you don't it increases the amount of time needed to destroy the crystal and move on. You don't gain anything killing the skitterlings except a lower score at the end as you aren't getting the 10x damage bonus from the skitterling bite.

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Originally Posted by crasher

i·ron·ic

/īˈränik/
Adjective

1. Using or characterized by irony.
2. Happening in the opposite way to what is expected, thus typically causing wry amusement.

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Well there are several types of irony. If you want to be an intellectual stickler about it, you would have referred me to the definition of verbal irony, as it was neither dramatic nor situational.

As you said..you are new to the game. BUT the game isn’t new. You are walking into a situation that is already very frustrating to many players. You cannot expect them to assume you are new and don’t know any better. Especially when your EGO repeatedly tells you about the skitterlings. That said people do tend to go overboard and get more upset than they should.

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Originally Posted by Yokai

It doesn't help that the three tiers of "Ark Hunter" pursuits require you to ultimately rack up 2500 kills at major arkfalls. Even the seasoned pros who know better will routinely kill everything in sight if they are specifically trying to complete those pursuits.

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Yes, OP, as Yokai points out players can be at each others throats simply by game design. On the one hand you and everyone else has that one time goal of killing skitterlings, but on the other hand doing so makes the game harder and sometimes impossible for others to complete an Arkfall. Now what were they thinking in doing that, and why? I'd venture its the same reason people use abusive language, and I'd say that everything has its place and time but some people try to put square pegs in round holes too. This is a MMO of sorts, you'll have to learn to deal with people of all mental ages and manners, and some of them simply can't grow up. As long as you aren't trying to be a jerk then people will forgive perceived transgressions, and believe it - they can figure out the truth. Enjoy the game, and the people who make it possible.