Trion please (NERFEAR) Immunize and VOT FRAGGER

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Originally Posted by spawn2985

I imagine you're one of those who abuse these weapons
you say to adapt and learn. what I learned is this
Immunizer
1 not need to aim
2 Range 50 +
3 full automatic
4 spawn bugs
5 auto target aim
6 block vision
7 etc., etc.

CLOAK
1. you become invisible (literally) want to know whose idea it was to put it this way cloak

ps: CLOAK SHOULD BE LIKE THE SNIPER OF SAN FRANCISCO

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lol you cant shoot in front and kill the guy behind you. 48 range is default max...cloak=part of game.. you obviously never played mmo types... u should go back to playing COD.. since when are MMOs fair fight? be glad this is not full blown MMO status... you would just cry about 5ks molesting everyone..

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Originally Posted by Dave Blackwell

Then what happens once they get nerfed? What will the people who are using them right now do when that happens? They'll move onto another weapon then its popularity will bloat and you and every other person who cries over this nonsense will be back again crying over the next supposed 'OP' weapon.

This game is not focused on PvP - go play BF3 or any other game that actually dedicates its focus on that aspect.

That or PvP only weapon changes. If this behaviour is just going to continue where it not only dumbs down the PvP side of the game for those who lack common sense but also destroys the PvE aspect in the process, then Trion may as well just set their servers for Defiance on fire right now as it'll ruin the game overall and only just over some small aspect of it too.

Honestly.. nerfing one weapon will only move the ones using that one to another and then another... you already know how it goes.

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AGREED.........these guys mommies told them how special they are. come to find out not so much so instead of blaming lack of skill its that a hole and his OP gun....its the name of the game on MMO types...most people dont bother with forums...your cries should be treated like a whisper blown away by a fart.

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Originally Posted by SensaiDoom

Clearly you don't PvP much.

The immunizer drops ppl in seconds. Even with full defensive perks, if you can't get out of LOS quickly, you are dead.

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"Clearly" you like talking out your ***. PVP and PVE the weapons perform the same. It takes the same amount of time to kill with them. Those "seconds" in which they drop are on the far end after you've unloaded a magazine into them.

You hit the nail on the head. Get out of line of sight when you get hit with the bugs.

harden up princess

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Originally Posted by RevJynxed

"Clearly" you like talking out your ***. PVP and PVE the weapons perform the same. It takes the same amount of time to kill with them. Those "seconds" in which they drop are on the far end after you've unloaded a magazine into them.

You hit the nail on the head. Get out of line of sight when you get hit with the bugs.

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Clearly you are a freaking moron. PvP and PvE taking the same time to kill? Not when the mobs have more HP than players do, well done for making it clear that you know nothing abot PvP, so u can **** now.

It also isn't always possible to LOS, but I would not expect any common sense from you.

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Originally Posted by SensaiDoom

Clearly you are a freaking moron. PvP and PvE taking the same time to kill? Not when the mobs have more HP than players do, well done for making it clear that you know nothing abot PvP, so u can **** now.

It also isn't always possible to LOS, but I would not expect any common sense from you.

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its not the immunizers that are OP sadly (and yes PvP and PvE health diffs are vast when talking about dark matter and dmg mitigation) , shot guns are still pretty hard hitting and are supported better by ego powers. imo other guns should be brought up to par with them (infectors will be up for debate though the sad thing is their main dmg is the bugs (which you can kill if your quick). The Majority of my deaths in pvp is from shot guns , some occasional random LMG shots to the face , and the 2nd to last on the list is infectors , with BMG dead last (pretty much 0).

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Originally Posted by WarDawgUk

^ The could have just limited the ammo in PVP but I guess that's too much work :(

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It could, and should have been. Made too much sense, nerfing every one of a certain type of weapon throughout the game just for its effects in one portion of it....

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Originally Posted by Enundr

its not the immunizers that are OP sadly (and yes PvP and PvE health diffs are vast when talking about dark matter and dmg mitigation) , shot guns are still pretty hard hitting and are supported better by ego powers. imo other guns should be brought up to par with them (infectors will be up for debate though the sad thing is their main dmg is the bugs (which you can kill if your quick). The Majority of my deaths in pvp is from shot guns , some occasional random LMG shots to the face , and the 2nd to last on the list is infectors , with BMG dead last (pretty much 0).

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It's a combination of the range (up to 48m), the auto aim, the large dmg on the 5th shot of the gun, the DoT damage and the bugs. They are really effective on the bigger maps, although for TDM they are much less of an issue.

When the vast majority of players use the same weapon type, you know something is a bit fishy.

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Originally Posted by SensaiDoom

It's a combination of the range (up to 48m), the auto aim, the large dmg on the 5th shot of the gun, the DoT damage and the bugs. They are really effective on the bigger maps, although for TDM they are much less of an issue.

When the vast majority of players use the same weapon type, you know something is a bit fishy.

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again majority of my deaths are from shotguns , not infectors , infectors are still pretty much one of my rarer deaths. its more so are you able to react to them? are you lagging to where you wont notice it? shot guns have a harder time to react to cause most of the time they stealth and showup in your face for insta death.

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Originally Posted by Enundr

again majority of my deaths are from shotguns , not infectors , infectors are still pretty much one of my rarer deaths. its more so are you able to react to them? are you lagging to where you wont notice it? shot guns have a harder time to react to cause most of the time they stealth and showup in your face for insta death.

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I very rarely die to shotguns, unless it is sawed off combined with cloak and sinister strike.

I run thick skinned, rear guard and escape artist though, and use a bmg to self heal... So that may be the difference.

Try capping point A on freight yard with a competent immunizer user around, the cars don't break LOS either.