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Not to bother you but these ONE weapons are far above any weapon and CLOAK
that it serves to use rifles, smg, lightmg, sniper, if immunizer is better in all aspects and ****s the cloack
sorry I meant to cloak not vot Fragger, CLOAK should be like (san francisco sniper, not completely invisible)
ps. my immunizer is (homing range is 60) holy **** is that
what?
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Are you serious? all shotguns got nerfed and why shouldn't you use it with cloak? It stand to reason that the main weapons to use are Shotguns and Snipers with this power. If you find this annoying then you have the option to use them yourself.
Just play pvp and that's what 85% of players use good of bad! That's why it needs nerfing! So players who want to use other weapon types have a chance to compete!
It's not a case of nerfing the weapon, it's just most people will logically see the idea of concealing your presence in-game completely and killing an enemy or two fast if more effective than exposing yourself and trying to do the same. Your not immortal and it doesn't last forever so people still get killed and rarely get loads of kills. I could say overpower and shotgun is awful but it's part of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strifewolfsjg
OVERCHARGED SAW FTW!!!! Great when ppl aren't in shotgun range...but thats why i carry a Grind Fragger as well :P I win some and i lose some...such is PvP.
what really stinks is that the PvP nerfing is taking away from the PvE...yeah, you don't need a 20 round mag in a shotty for anything but it's nice while in arkfalls and the like but some kids cried because thats too much ammo for a shotty in PvP bla bla bla...
^ The could have just limited the ammo in PVP but I guess that's too much work :(
I like to use variety but pvp obsebatory, freight yard, water front, and shadow war full immunizer and vot Fragger. Match not think so, well the vot Fragger is nothing without cloack does not bother much, but THE Immunizer REACHES THIS IS POWERFUL
The Grind Fragger is fine. It already received a nice little nerf. If you get killed by it, you were to close to the person. That essentially is your fault. Shotguns annoy me, but if I get killed by them it is my fault for having been too close. The only weapon that I see an issue with is the immunizer. Specifically that. oh dear lord.
Snipers? Snipers? And once again, snipers!?!?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by WarDawgUk
I can count the amount of times I have died to a sniper on one hand, so not sure why you are mentioning people using snipers. Also, nobody has ever (EVER) said snipers are OP in this game. If you get a head shot, then you deserve it! (Except that one time I got a headshot on someone rolling! Immense).
Just realized you were talking about the obvious use of snipers and shotguns with cloak, but thought I'd post the above anyway...that's how I roll!!!!!:confused:
the immunizer i have violated that as you have no idea, but only use it when they abuse
Gears of War and the rewarding sniper kills <3<3<3<3<3Quote:
Originally Posted by SensaiDoom
Sorry to stray off topic, but nostalgia kicked in...
What are you trying to say here?
I'll admit that once I realized I was being killed a majority of the time by Infectors and the Vot Fragger, I sought them out to see what the deal was.
The Immunizer is definitely on the cusp of being game breaking. Since equipping it, my kill count has more than doubled. With a specific perk build and mod synergies, it becomes an absolute beast. It's effective at the same range most sniper rifles are effective without the need for precision. I understand it's role as an Anti-Sniper weapon, but its just as effective at SMG and AR range as well, again without the need for as precise aim as other weapons.
I'd have to run tests and crunch the numbers to see what could be down as a counter strategy to the Immunizer. I'm pretty sure there is an ideal counter-strategy that most people, including myself, are missing.
As for the Vot Fragger, any High-Damage Shotgun can do what it does. The Vot Fragger just has more room for error because it fires two shots at once.
they nerfed the heavy scattergun damage, now its not as god as the scattergun since all the stats are the same except the heavy has terrible accuracy
people with grind fraggers point at immunizers and vise versa....leave it all alone... this is not a bare bones shooter... its a mmo shooter. they nerfed rockets bmgs infecters than shotguns... it will just be something else always... if i were them i would stop listening to the pvp crying...nerfing weapons wont make you any better and this is not gears or my lil pony... this is our beloved DEFIANCE.... adapt...die...whatever just lay off the game and play it....learn
I imagine you're one of those who abuse these weaponsQuote:
Originally Posted by SickoSlayer
you say to adapt and learn. what I learned is this
Immunizer
1 not need to aim
2 Range 50 +
3 full automatic
4 spawn bugs
5 auto target aim
6 block vision
7 etc., etc.
CLOAK
1. you become invisible (literally) want to know whose idea it was to put it this way cloak
ps: CLOAK SHOULD BE LIKE THE SNIPER OF SAN FRANCISCO
I cant believe what im reading here. people dont cry about weapons in this game no more. last time they nerfed weapons i could not play this game all day due to patch. if you cant handle loseing in a game dont play it go learn how to shot them come back and try later. i have been shot by these weapons and do not feel any gun in this game needs to be fixed. You just need to be fixed look up how to mod your gun and what perks go well with those guns or the way you play. PEOPLE STOP THE TEARS I FEEL LIKE I AM PLAYING WITH A BUNCH OF BABYS man up or get out. DEFIANCE
ok people let us out the **** with the only weapons used in pvpQuote:
Originally Posted by SHADOWBROKER
immunizer
cloak + shotgun
that you believe that the game is good
Here's the thing with the bug guns. THEY TAKE TIME TO KILL. You're just pissed that folks are willing to let them selves die in a kamikaze run leaving you dead next to them.
Balance doesn't mean all the same. Balance allows for a trade off of power to to utility. Balance means certain guns perform better in certain circumstances. Balance does not mean one gun (that you prefer) beats them all.
Balance means that while you are killing me while you have 2 dozen needles stuck in you, you will end up dead in the end. Get bugged, flee and try a different tactic. Don't stick around for the swarm of bugs to finish you while you unload into the guy. It is a lose-lose situation and the bugger made peace with his death before firing off the first shot at you.
what i think would stop all the b****ing..not that i would choose this option..only let people in PVP choose a preset class like a call of duty's default classes 1-5..you got an assault class a sniper class and run n gun class ect they would all have set perks one them...would def solve alot of problems..dont flame me..just an idea A GOOD ONE, it would make pvp more skill based then just spamming the trigger with an immunizer or fragger
thoughts?
Clearly you don't PvP much.Quote:
Originally Posted by RevJynxed
The immunizer drops ppl in seconds. Even with full defensive perks, if you can't get out of LOS quickly, you are dead.
No one says snipers are OP cuz they suck in pvp...well the pvp sucks for snipers I should say....Lag is so bad sometimes its a 50/50 crapshoot if the shot I put right on your head will even hit.It only gets that way in a huge shadow war when like 30 players hit one spot but no other weapon is useless when groups of players group up...Quote:
Originally Posted by SensaiDoom
Yup, snipers are pretty bad on the xbox.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mostly Slow Joe
I suppose that is good though, else freight yard would just be a sniper fest! Probably less fun for me than the current infector fest!!!
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Originally Posted by RevJynxed
the only thing that is effective + -
immunizer vs immunizer
cloak shotgun (close combat) vs immunizer
my deaths in pvp
55% full control immunizer area
40% vot Fragger best use cloak (WHY IS BETTER THAN THE CLOAK OF "PREDATOR MOVIE")
4% cerberus and road kill
1% others
my kill ratio per round +28 / -5 using immunizer and vot Fragger cloak(with these weapons is like walk in the park)
my kill ratio per round +16/+7 using variety (and it is not easy with so many immunizer and Vot Fragger in play)
YES YES I DO NOT SEE ANY PVP INEQUALITY AND YOU
i have no idea what OP and others are on about. dont hate the player. one up him. find a gun that isnt used by all and own. personaly i use the VOT Pulser and a sniper(which name is lost in my insomniac mind). i snipe when im alone on the mini map as its easy due to no bullet drop or time then slaughter with smg. i usually come out around 15kills to 3deaths and obv more for frieght yard/ shadow war
i think prob one of the bigger issues between shotguns being overused as well as infectors (specifically the sniping variety) is that for shotguns pretty much all the ego powers synergize with them (shotguns commonly used by cloak , Blur is also good for it to get in close as well and avoiding shots from average players , and the other one (name escapes me but increases weapon performance) just pretty much gaurentees theyre instant kill if you aim at the person) , and the sniping Infector benefits from cloak and overcharge is it? but has the range and spawns the bugs (which are really only effective in pvp). now if you look at other guns , how many actually benefit as well as shot guns? assault rifles , SMG , LMG can benefit from Cloak and overcharge , but not so much as blurr since you dont want to be in melee range if you can help it. Snipers? benefit from Cloak the most , while overcharge isnt too bad of a choice either , Blurr COMPLETELY USLESS TO THE WEAPON. i dont mention Decoy since its got the same general use for all weapons , and i dont mention detonators and rocket launchers or BMGs cause theyre not as COMMONLY used as all of these weapons , though theyre still there. so in what case we see here , Shotguns get overused cause no matter what spec you use , they still rip you to pieces if a sniper doesnt get luck and find you in the open. and infectors(the sniping variety) is just another sniper that doesnt do the direct dmg itself other then some minor dots that spawn the real source of the dmg (that you can kill btw) the bugs. so its not so much as they need a nerf , but REAL BALANCE needs to be brought to them and ego powers.
Yeah I don't know seems everything the op says has been translated from a different language or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by ScarFace1483
Then what happens once they get nerfed? What will the people who are using them right now do when that happens? They'll move onto another weapon then its popularity will bloat and you and every other person who cries over this nonsense will be back again crying over the next supposed 'OP' weapon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strifewolfsjg
This game is not focused on PvP - go play BF3 or any other game that actually dedicates its focus on that aspect.
That or PvP only weapon changes. If this behaviour is just going to continue where it not only dumbs down the PvP side of the game for those who lack common sense but also destroys the PvE aspect in the process, then Trion may as well just set their servers for Defiance on fire right now as it'll ruin the game overall and only just over some small aspect of it too.
Honestly.. nerfing one weapon will only move the ones using that one to another and then another... you already know how it goes.
Here is the PvP answer...... Get rid of ego powers in PvP and remove infectors from PvP since continued damage weapons are a little unfair.
That way the nerf/buffs don't need to happen at all. I like many don't give a lick for PvP but nerf/buffs impact PvE and it's not an apples to apples nerf. Nerfing shotguns for the sake of PvP kills their effectiveness vs larger PvE enemies and has funneled PvE players even further into the AR/LMG abyss.
So, they should leave the weapons alone because it's not their power that is OP for PvP it's the combo of allowing somebody to have a sawed off 250x12 with cloak or a sawed off 250x12 with an instant reload from overcharge.
Get rid of the EGO combos and all the weapons become equal and player preference in PvP
lol you cant shoot in front and kill the guy behind you. 48 range is default max...cloak=part of game.. you obviously never played mmo types... u should go back to playing COD.. since when are MMOs fair fight? be glad this is not full blown MMO status... you would just cry about 5ks molesting everyone..Quote:
Originally Posted by spawn2985
AGREED.........these guys mommies told them how special they are. come to find out not so much so instead of blaming lack of skill its that a hole and his OP gun....its the name of the game on MMO types...most people dont bother with forums...your cries should be treated like a whisper blown away by a fart.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave Blackwell
"Clearly" you like talking out your ***. PVP and PVE the weapons perform the same. It takes the same amount of time to kill with them. Those "seconds" in which they drop are on the far end after you've unloaded a magazine into them.Quote:
Originally Posted by SensaiDoom
You hit the nail on the head. Get out of line of sight when you get hit with the bugs.
harden up princess
Clearly you are a freaking moron. PvP and PvE taking the same time to kill? Not when the mobs have more HP than players do, well done for making it clear that you know nothing abot PvP, so u can **** now.Quote:
Originally Posted by RevJynxed
It also isn't always possible to LOS, but I would not expect any common sense from you.
its not the immunizers that are OP sadly (and yes PvP and PvE health diffs are vast when talking about dark matter and dmg mitigation) , shot guns are still pretty hard hitting and are supported better by ego powers. imo other guns should be brought up to par with them (infectors will be up for debate though the sad thing is their main dmg is the bugs (which you can kill if your quick). The Majority of my deaths in pvp is from shot guns , some occasional random LMG shots to the face , and the 2nd to last on the list is infectors , with BMG dead last (pretty much 0).Quote:
Originally Posted by SensaiDoom
It could, and should have been. Made too much sense, nerfing every one of a certain type of weapon throughout the game just for its effects in one portion of it....Quote:
Originally Posted by WarDawgUk
It's a combination of the range (up to 48m), the auto aim, the large dmg on the 5th shot of the gun, the DoT damage and the bugs. They are really effective on the bigger maps, although for TDM they are much less of an issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enundr
When the vast majority of players use the same weapon type, you know something is a bit fishy.
again majority of my deaths are from shotguns , not infectors , infectors are still pretty much one of my rarer deaths. its more so are you able to react to them? are you lagging to where you wont notice it? shot guns have a harder time to react to cause most of the time they stealth and showup in your face for insta death.Quote:
Originally Posted by SensaiDoom
I very rarely die to shotguns, unless it is sawed off combined with cloak and sinister strike.Quote:
Originally Posted by Enundr
I run thick skinned, rear guard and escape artist though, and use a bmg to self heal... So that may be the difference.
Try capping point A on freight yard with a competent immunizer user around, the cars don't break LOS either.