I QUIT THIS DAM GAME.. i cant get thru Bullet for a Bad Man

I am absent a left hand.. but I got level to 50 in BC2.

I like the game.. but I have spent over 10 hours trying to get thru an early in the game boss. so I am stuck where I am. game over..

this is B.S. and there is no manual for this really complex game., just some 'Guru' thief selling crap who wont refund your money, I just found out I should have been doing important things in this game from day one. I cant go back.. why bother if I cant go forward.?!!

the creators of this POS game should have realized what kind of money they would be losing, pinching people off so early in the game

When you enter into the cave, shoot smelters in their backpacks.
When they blow under the boss just shoot at him.
And kill adds, get behind something when you have no shields.
This is the most easy battles around the game.

its not rocket science, follow the missions? if you cannot understand how a game works you shouldnt be playing it im affraid.

not saying that Jackleg Joe wasn't tough, but what important things were you supposed to be doing from day one?

It's a long fight, Good shield, good perks, good weapons. I have faith in you..

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shooters are really not a good type of game for people missing a hand... I know that sounds mean but I mean.... there's really no getting around that...

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Originally Posted by Rabid_Byter

this is B.S. and there is no manual for this really complex game., just some 'Guru' thief selling crap who wont refund your money, I just found out I should have been doing important things in this game from day one. I cant go back.. why bother if I cant go forward.?!!

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WAT ?

Defiance a complex game ? :D Something tells me you have not tried a complex game in your life.

Either this or you are 12 years old. o.O

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Originally Posted by Rabid_Byter

I am absent a left hand.. but I got level to 50 in BC2.

I like the game.. but I have spent over 10 hours trying to get thru an early in the game boss. so I am stuck where I am. game over..

this is B.S. and there is no manual for this really complex game., just some 'Guru' thief selling crap who wont refund your money, I just found out I should have been doing important things in this game from day one. I cant go back.. why bother if I cant go forward.?!!

the creators of this POS game should have realized what kind of money they would be losing, pinching people off so early in the game

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He's surprisingly easy once you realize what to do.. and the things is, the game itself tells you what to do, as it shows a cutscene of a smelter getting set on fire, running into the furnace and exploding.. but saying that, it took me ages to realize what to do. But once you kill enough smelters and get Jacklegs health down to 50% he'll jump down and come after you, at that point he's easy enough - just run around him shooting and avoid his grenades.

Just try again.. it'll take 15-20mins tops to kill him and you'll realize how easy he is.

1. Clear the first batch of 99ers
2. Hover in one of the corners - I chose the one on the right, near Jackleg
3. Let the NPC (Rosa?) deal with the 99ers
4. Wait for a smelter, shoot the back pack from behind
5. When the smelter explodes, just shoot at Jackleg
6. Hide/hover again and repeat from 3/4 until Jackleg is at half health
7. At half health Jackleg jumps down
8. Run round shooting him (I used AR) and avoid the grenades

The last part took a matter of seconds/minutes and was over really quick.

Honestly, give it another go - they aren't making it deliberately difficult, just challenging and they are showing you what to do.

I am very curious as to how you play with only one hand.


As someone else said, shoot the tanks on the smelter backs and then shoot the daylights out of Joe. I always stay close to the walkway opposite and stay behind the crates so nothing can get to me.

I don't know your playing style, but this level actually changed up how I play this game. I am by no means a huge first person shooter fan but I do have a tendency to go in guns blazing. When I tried this level that way, I was killed quite regularly as the enemies kept popping out of nowhere. But the last time I played it, I actually took a step back and looked at the whole layout of the area and patiently took down each bad guy while hiding. When the flame guys came out, I jumped on top of the cage things in the front of the arena to get clear access to the tanks on their back. Doing that made it a really quick fight as it only takes a handful of bullets to set them on fire. Jack was easy to as long as you stay patient.

No joke, I understand the one hand issue, but I still believe you can beat this level. It won't probably be as easy as I made it sound, but it still should be passable. I hope this helps somewhat. Good luck.

- Lamarr

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Originally Posted by Woodlouse

not saying that Jackleg Joe wasn't tough, but what important things were you supposed to be doing from day one?

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I will. Jackleg Joe wasn't tough. In fact, Jackleg Joe was a Jackleg Joeke.


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Originally Posted by CptBadger

WAT ?

Defiance a complex game ? :D Something tells me you have not tried a complex game in your life.

Either this or you are 12 years old. o.O

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Or he's a troll, which is where I'd put my money if I were forced to bet on such things.

meh.
this game will be dead in 3-6 months.i was playing since alfa and i dont see the future of that game.for gamers this game is too easy for normal ppl is hard.mobs shooting without miss and if they would make in next dlc powerfull mobs that would be hard for normal gamers to play.if u will check how many ppl has left the game and how many joined it u will be sad.so ppl try to leave fast to make the death of defince quick.

I will wait for your 2nd topic on how hard Nim is at the end lol

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Originally Posted by Rabid_Byter

I am absent a left hand.. but I got level to 50 in BC2.

I like the game.. but I have spent over 10 hours trying to get thru an early in the game boss. so I am stuck where I am. game over..

this is B.S. and there is no manual for this really complex game., just some 'Guru' thief selling crap who wont refund your money, I just found out I should have been doing important things in this game from day one. I cant go back.. why bother if I cant go forward.?!!

the creators of this POS game should have realized what kind of money they would be losing, pinching people off so early in the game

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I'm sure it is more difficult for you than some others, but honestly, if you made it to this fight, then you have the skills to win it. Its not so different than many of the fights you've had leading up to it. That you've made it this far already is quite admirable in my book. It requires a somewhat different strategy though than rushing in and blasting everything in sight.

I would encourage you to read through my guide, understand how to run it defensively and give it another go before you give up. If you got through all the other schtako leading up to this, you can get through it. http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...ts-of-pictures)

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Originally Posted by CptBadger

WAT ?

Defiance a complex game ? :D Something tells me you have not tried a complex game in your life.

Either this or you are 12 years old. o.O

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Lets chop off your left hand and see how complex the game becomes for you as an amputee ignorant ***** hat

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Originally Posted by PhotriusPyrelus

I will. Jackleg Joe wasn't tough. In fact, Jackleg Joe was a Jackleg Joeke.


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Or he's a troll, which is where I'd put my money if I were forced to bet on such things.

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He's missing a hand idiots, read the post more carefully or get some reading comprehension skills before making yourselves look like morons.

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Originally Posted by Murder

He's missing a hand idiots, read the post more carefully or get some reading comprehension skills before making yourselves look like morons.

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they are far past looking like morons they look like arogant smug and ignorant lil pr!cks

Not trying to sound rude or anything but Jackleg Joe is cake compared to Nim. Mad props thought for even making it to that mission with your handicap.

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Originally Posted by Durva360

Not trying to sound rude or anything but Jackleg Joe is cake compared to Nim.

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i agree Nim will be a challenge especially with the OP's Handicap but at least hes trying:)

Handicap or not, if you can make it to jack leg Joe. You can beat him. Stay in cover. Have a low time delay shield like 3 seconds or less. Use overcharge and an assault rifle or LMG. When the smelter comes at you wack him with your gun, it will fall down then u can shoot the pack and send him on his way. Step out of cover hit overcharge and unload as many rounds into jack as you can. Repeat till he jumps down. After that keep cover between you and him and do hit and run attacks, and keep moving so the grenades he launches at you aren't such a problem. Cpl mins later he should be dead and you should have taken only minor damage.

Level 50 in bc2 is no major accomplishment... Crying and making a goodbye thread is pointless as well...

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Originally Posted by Murder

He's missing a hand idiots, read the post more carefully or get some reading comprehension skills before making yourselves look like morons.

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I'm sorry I don't pander and patronize the "handicapped". It's insulting.

In the words of Professor Higgins, "[it] is not a question of good manners or bad manners, or any particular sort of manners, but having the same manner for all human souls."

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Originally Posted by PhotriusPyrelus

I'm sorry I don't pander and patronize the "handicapped". It's insulting.

In the words of Professor Higgins, "[it] is not a question of good manners or bad manners, or any particular sort of manners, but having the same manner for all human souls."

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To be honest, I really like the way you put this. Always should show respect.

- Lamarr

My best friend doesnt have a left hand, he will stomp you in COD, Battlefield, and any other shooter you prefer. He also doesnt cry on an internet forum for attention.

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Originally Posted by PhotriusPyrelus

I'm sorry I don't pander and patronize the "handicapped". It's insulting.

In the words of Professor Higgins, "[it] is not a question of good manners or bad manners, or any particular sort of manners, but having the same manner for all human souls."

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There's a difference when it comes to treating someone equally and/or just straight up making a condescending remark. The point is, before you say "it's so easy." why don't you put yourself in the same situation so you can gain a little perspective, beat Jackleg Joe one-handed then you can brag about how easy it is.

Someone said you can throw fire grenades where the smelters are supposed to go, this way you can bypass those smelters. This may just be bs but its an idea for you.

If you want to do it legit then make sure you equip onr gun that is good and that will kill the enemies and do damage to the boss then the other gun should be a single shot. Something like a pistol or single shot AR. You do a little damage to the smelters and wait for them to fall down, when they do you shoot them once in the back trying not to kill them. Good luck.

Oh and always try youtube. I found a few tutorial videos on this within 5 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Dazz

It requires a somewhat different strategy though than rushing in and blasting everything in sight.

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This is saddening me nowdays in pretty much every shooter games, most are lacking "tactical" thinking(and this is extremely small in defiance, all you need is commonsense)and instead they raindown the bullets like theres no tomorrow. And im blaming the famous CoD series for rewarding mindless spraying instead rewarding for skillfull and tactical play(yes i know those who imply said skillsets for CoD will be superior to sprayers)and because of this it wont require players to become better.

When i first saw this happening i never thought it would affect my gaming but now i have noticed it does, its hard to find opponents that gives thrilling challenge in pvp, and for pve its hard to find team-members who are able to adapt diffirent situations on the fly(DD,support and tank)when needed and not just spam explosives 24/7(see the arkfall AoE spammage).

PS: This has nothing to do with OP tho, i totally understand if you are handicapped in someway it can be hard. This just seemed good topic to express how i see and feel about todays gaming community.

My 2 cents:
I had issues with Bullet for a bad man myself. I turned to Google and watched a few youtube videos on how to beat him.

I them followed their advice sorta. I used a cluster shotgun on the smelters. It was a 50/50 chance in killing them. Eventually I managed to progress to the 3rd stage.

I thought it was a hard fight, as I'm not used to 3rd person shooters. I've played a few like COD Black Ops and such, but typically on easy mode [I rent the games].

Nim was also a struggle for me. But after watching a few videos, I used my trusty Cluster shotgun, and that helped a lot.

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Originally Posted by Rabid_Byter

I am absent a left hand.. but I got level to 50 in BC2.

I like the game.. but I have spent over 10 hours trying to get thru an early in the game boss. so I am stuck where I am. game over..

this is B.S. and there is no manual for this really complex game., just some 'Guru' thief selling crap who wont refund your money, I just found out I should have been doing important things in this game from day one. I cant go back.. why bother if I cant go forward.?!!

the creators of this POS game should have realized what kind of money they would be losing, pinching people off so early in the game

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I have a cousin who from birth was missing a hand. I am constantly amazed at the things she can do without one. That being said there are things she wouldn't attempt to do unless she had some sort of workaround equipment for it-but she had a prosthetic early on and hated it and decided to go without that.

I am amazed that you are able to do anything in any such game at all and would be curious to know if you have, if they make, something that assists you. Pardon me for assuming you are possibly playing on a PC?

The other thing is and some have said them in different ways, there is nothing in the game so far as I know that you can't go back and get except for drops, if you don't pick them up before turning the game off or leaving coop or some such thing.

Also, one person alluded to this earlier-most boss type things require you to NOT do what you might do in something like CoD or other first person shooters-that is you sometimes have to practice avoiding the boss as much as shooting at him. You can't expect to just overpower some of these guys and have to practice patience and know when to lower your weapon and run.

Jackleg took me forever-I thought I'd never get him and I mean I didn't really have any strategy other than to try and slowly chip at his health when his shields were down and kill all the other guys coming at me. I wish I'd had the info on how to kill him more easily, but I did it very slowly.

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Originally Posted by Nyymi

This is saddening me nowdays in pretty much every shooter games, most are lacking "tactical" thinking(and this is extremely small in defiance, all you need is commonsense)and instead they raindown the bullets like theres no tomorrow. And im blaming the famous CoD series for rewarding mindless spraying instead rewarding for skillfull and tactical play(yes i know those who imply said skillsets for CoD will be superior to sprayers)and because of this it wont require players to become better.

When i first saw this happening i never thought it would affect my gaming but now i have noticed it does, its hard to find opponents that gives thrilling challenge in pvp, and for pve its hard to find team-members who are able to adapt diffirent situations on the fly(DD,support and tank)when needed and not just spam explosives 24/7(see the arkfall AoE spammage).

PS: This has nothing to do with OP tho, i totally understand if you are handicapped in someway it can be hard. This just seemed good topic to express how i see and feel about todays gaming community.

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I agree with you here. CoD created this idea that running and gunning without thinking always works. I was lucky before playing this game to have played Demon's Souls and Dark Souls. Now, they don't have guns, but in Demon's Souls one of the bosses is very much like Nim on steroids. In fact, I almost think Trion used Allant as a model for Nim in the first part of his fight where he races across the room-it's exactly what Allant does in Demon's Souls. However, Demon's and Dark Souls were many times more difficult and they taught you to look, listen, learn and be patient, as well as to not run in especially into a mob and think you will overpower them. In that game, even the weakest foe could one hit kill you before you even saw him coming.

If you like strategy and having to consider tactics, I strongly urge you to look into Dark Souls 2 when it comes out-I know Dark Souls is on sale on consoles right now but I don't know how many people are still playing (it can be played as an always online game where players can invade your world and fight you, or they can enter your world to help you).

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Originally Posted by Nyymi

This is saddening me nowdays in pretty much every shooter games, most are lacking "tactical" thinking(and this is extremely small in defiance, all you need is commonsense)and instead they raindown the bullets like theres no tomorrow. And im blaming the famous CoD series for rewarding mindless spraying instead rewarding for skillfull and tactical play(yes i know those who imply said skillsets for CoD will be superior to sprayers)and because of this it wont require players to become better.

When i first saw this happening i never thought it would affect my gaming but now i have noticed it does, its hard to find opponents that gives thrilling challenge in pvp, and for pve its hard to find team-members who are able to adapt diffirent situations on the fly(DD,support and tank)when needed and not just spam explosives 24/7(see the arkfall AoE spammage).

PS: This has nothing to do with OP tho, i totally understand if you are handicapped in someway it can be hard. This just seemed good topic to express how i see and feel about todays gaming community.

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Please blame that on COD players who play core and spray and pray. It is the reason I only play hardcore people are forced to be more tactical as you get kicked for team killing or praying and spraying. I would like to think what I have learned playing call of duty and battlefield has made me a much better shooter. I never thought I would be able to play a shooting game but thans to some patience and great friends I have come a long way :)

I do notice what you are talking about lots of people with grenade launchers and such very few using tactical movement and the right guns for situations but in the end its what makes the game fun for people. It is ind of fun running round a bit crazy with these high powered alien weapons. I wish I could have such a relaxed approach to people camping in COD but hey they help with my scorestreaks :P

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Please blame that on COD players who play core and spray and pray. It is the reason I only play hardcore people are forced to be more tactical as you get kicked for team killing or praying and spraying. I would like to think what I have learned playing call of duty and battlefield has made me a much better shooter. I never thought I would be able to play a shooting game but thans to some patience and great friends I have come a long way :)

I do notice what you are talking about lots of people with grenade launchers and such very few using tactical movement and the right guns for situations but in the end its what makes the game fun for people. It is ind of fun running round a bit crazy with these high powered alien weapons. I wish I could have such a relaxed approach to people camping in COD but hey they help with my scorestreaks :P

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Surely CoD and BF are good stepping stone for those who are just getting into shooters, as it will train you hand-eye coordination. After those if interested its possible to get deeper in more tactical and demanding shooters, too bad those are extremely rare nowdays but that is whole diffirent topic.

And what comes to grenade spamming i just wish peoples would leave that for hellbug extermination, and on crystal one focus said weakspots instead spamming as it will make it smoother and more enjoyable for everyone.

Just an few hour ago i did scrapper arkfall with one random person and it was instantly awesome, as we both didnt need to even say anything to eachother yet both adapted situations on the fly. He kept adds busy while i focused on those arm thigys and then boss, then i started to kite some of the adds while we both pewpewd arms on 2nd phase and so on untill it was completed.

I wish there were more player like him/her around at the daytime and not only at nights, as even if i usually play solo i still try to be a much team player as possible. Thats why i would like to see same kind of attitude in the return from fellow players, there are some ofc but i want more of them :D

My 75 year old father in law beat Jackleg Joe twice. I'm sorry you're handicapped, but that doesn't make the game a POS. That's like someone with no legs saying a car is a POS because they can't drive it. Sounds to me like you've got a few more issues than just a loss of a hand.

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Surely CoD and BF are good stepping stone for those who are just getting into shooters, as it will train you hand-eye coordination. After those if interested its possible to get deeper in more tactical and demanding shooters, too bad those are extremely rare nowdays but that is whole diffirent topic.

And what comes to grenade spamming i just wish peoples would leave that for hellbug extermination, and on crystal one focus said weakspots instead spamming as it will make it smoother and more enjoyable for everyone.

Just an few hour ago i did scrapper arkfall with one random person and it was instantly awesome, as we both didnt need to even say anything to eachother yet both adapted situations on the fly. He kept adds busy while i focused on those arm thigys and then boss, then i started to kite some of the adds while we both pewpewd arms on 2nd phase and so on untill it was completed.

I wish there were more player like him/her around at the daytime and not only at nights, as even if i usually play solo i still try to be a much team player as possible. Thats why i would like to see same kind of attitude in the return from fellow players, there are some ofc but i want more of them :D

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A few years ago the US Army came out with a free (completely as in no RMT store either, no cost for the game, or sub) FPS, that concentrated solely on tactics and rewarded you for thinking about reaching an objective and not just shooting the other team. It was freaking awesome, and I met some really great players through the multiplayer (it was kind of refreshing to see people actually yell at people that complained that snipers were camping). Not sure if they even still have it, but it was great.

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Originally Posted by Schmiznurf

I am very curious as to how you play with only one hand.


As someone else said, shoot the tanks on the smelter backs and then shoot the daylights out of Joe. I always stay close to the walkway opposite and stay behind the crates so nothing can get to me.

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Went to highschool with a kid who had severe muscular dystrophy, confined to a motorized wheel chair, kid could barely hold on to a pencil to write his name to save his life but he kicked everyone's butt at Halo. Don't ask me how, but that kid would drop the controller in his lap and by some miracle would proceed to play by what could only be described as molesting the controller.

Can make it even easier... use a detonator... really any detonator works, but a rebound is money. Shoot the blokes with tanks on their back, just one round. Doesn't have to hit the tank, anywhere on the mob it will set off their tank and send em running. Soon as the shield drops either use the detonator on Joe or transition to your weapon du jour. Its so simple its not even funny.

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A few years ago the US Army came out with a free (completely as in no RMT store either, no cost for the game, or sub) FPS, that concentrated solely on tactics and rewarded you for thinking about reaching an objective and not just shooting the other team. It was freaking awesome, and I met some really great players through the multiplayer (it was kind of refreshing to see people actually yell at people that complained that snipers were camping). Not sure if they even still have it, but it was great.

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It's called Americas Army and yeah it's very tactical because if you die you are forced to sit and watch for the rest of the round. I played back in the day and loved the map pipeline from what I've read it's went down hill a bit since then.

I can certainly understand how this game and especially this mission would be quite dificult for someone with only one hand. I struggled a lot with Jackleg Joe, but once you get past him the next several main missions are MUCH less difficult. Give it another try and if you can't do it after reading the tactics in this thread, maybe get a real life friend to do this ONE mission for you and then you can continue on your own?

Don't feel bad if you gotta let someone beat it for you man. I had to beat him and Nim for my friend.

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Originally Posted by Mladenov

When you enter into the cave, shoot smelters in their backpacks.
When they blow under the boss just shoot at him.
And kill adds, get behind something when you have no shields.
This is the most easy battles around the game.

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Lets not forget the CUTSCENE {that reruns after a death when you have to start over) The cutscene shows how sending a smelter under Jackleg removes it shield + the vocal explonation and EGO tells you everytime a smelter spawns.
I understand how a fight like this may be tough one handed but the game DOES explain it.