https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yC8FbgGnd0
thanks to MagellanD for posting new link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yC8FbgGnd0
thanks to MagellanD for posting new link
BWAAA HAHAHA.
They're going to have a tough time with PR since that uber bashing Sony game them on monday.
Great Video.
So you're telling me that if I can't afford a few bucks a month for internet, that I shouldn't spend $500 on an online gaming machine?
The numbers are few but not everyone has internet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reverend Blood
People over seas play xbox it's an escape but no online.
If my buddy had an XBOX one he just moved and the company takes so long to hook up the internet and TV he'd be without any gaming. Lucky he has a 360 because it's not out yet but that's not going to say that internet companies are going to step up their game with Xbox one is released.
There are numerous other scenarios where internet is not an option other than the "can't afford it" one
Honestly, even if there is a reason (not including military) that I was without internet for more than 24 hours, my cell-phone could easily be turned into a wifi hotspot long enough every day that my Xbox could call home.
Now, onto the military, I have been stationed overseas, and while my xbox 360 was a nice luxury to have, I clocked maybe a couple hours a week, and to be completely honest, it could have been an Atari with "Pong" and I would have been happy to have it. There are plenty of options for those deployed overseas, and if I wanted to pay the ridiculous international phone rates, the cell-phone hotspot callback would still be an option.
I want to fly but don't have a hangar and runway for a plane, doesn't mean I deserve one. if you cant connect online then you wont have xboxone. periodQuote:
Originally Posted by MagellanD
If you have a cell phone that can or want to pay those ridiculous rates.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reverend Blood
The other fact is that it's a pretty draconian control measure on the consumer. They're making people play how they want to play instead of having that consumer trust.
Don't get me wrong. I'm going to have both because the specific situation doesn't effect me. I am always on. Just for reality's sake it's not a situation that everyone can be in. Then there are people like me who don't like being dictated to. I think that's how a lot of people are feeling too. We're the people that give these companies our money.
Sony learned their lesson from their Music DRM fiascos in the past and are most certainly leveraging a situation that M$ clearly left open for them to take advantage of.
MS didn't have to make these measures. Their system is working fine as is now. they just wanted more control. Their menu and live player system is far superior than Sony's. In the customers eye right now though they've cheapened it.
My last 3 cell phones could, and I update every two years, at the earliest... and I'm not sure what ridiculous rates you're referring to (unless you're talking about international for deployed military, those are crazy... but what the heck else would I be spending money on out there?)
The methods may seem Draconian, however Sony is giving the same ability to the game developers, and the developers have been suspiciously quiet about it, so if EA's PC DRM policy is any indication, there's a very real chance that Sony's first part titles are going to be the only titles in the next generation without an internet DRM requirement.
I understand both sides of the argument, but it's time for people to step back and take a look at the future of technology. People pay hundreds of dollars for tablets, but if you don't have a wifi connection or 3G/4G feature (and signal) it's pretty much useless. I can count on one hand the number of times I've picked my tablet up and done something offline with it.
The Sony thing is old news. it is in no way a change from the current model that is deployed. I'm not so sure why people are latching on to it now. Users today have to pay for online passes if the publisher does so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reverend Blood
I do a ton of offline things on my tablet. every user is different. Especially games and thing with my son like flash cards and learning tools that do not require you to be online. Again every user is different.
I think this about sums up what I am trying to say about M$'s policies.
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/vide...n-Buyers-Guide
Some will accept them (the policies) some don't. I personally will HAVE to accept it if I want to play titan fall or any of the xbox exclusives. I don't have to like it. The response to Sony's announcement is an indication how the market feels about it.
I'm not bashing the system itself just company policy. I sit on both sides of the PS3/Xbox 360 fence now and own both and still play both. I will in the future.
To be fair, the only validation for requiring a daily Internet connection is if every Xbox One game has a mandatory online component. If this is not the case then there is no reason why MS could not extend the online check-in period to a week or more.
Exactly. We should be able to play our offline games without this. That's what I hated about Diable and the community of The Sims didn't like. Some people want to build their own cities without people, some people want to dungeon crawl by themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiero Glyph
Me and the wife did the LAN connection for Diablo two entirely offline.
That's funny and disturbing at the same time.
VIDEO NO LONGER AVAILABLE. BOOO Microsoft put a gag order on this bad PR already!
New Video Here!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5yC8FbgGnd0
the number of people who do not have online for a 24 hour period are massive...people have jobs that take them out of town, and even out of the country, some people have jobs that keep them away from that stuff for more than 24 hour periods..
further more.. while the xbox still isn't for a global market, with its regional restrictions, many of those countries are in a situation where only the "trump" of the nation gets internet... while this may seem extreme, I have seen original exboxs being sold for $800 in 2006 in the iraq public economy (such as it was). fact is sony is a global product (it's build this way, right down to the voltage requirements), and psn is a global gaming community with over 30 million more users online than xboxlive..
take a good look at the current stock exchange due to the xb1 failure.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertco...box-one-at-e3/
I agre there are many many situations that effect peoples connectivity. I loved this article. and it's from FORBES a reliable source.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirimon
The funny thing is because they went blue ray a tiny bit of that price is licensing fees to sony for the blu-ray technology. That's why Sony stock went up a bit during the xbox reveal. It had nothing to do with one system being better than the other.
were that true it would have gone up in the development and manufacture time frame, that change in the market was directly due to PR.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagellanD
Until it was confirmed they had no way of knowing. Plus these earning can't yet be reported to have an effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirimon
true, though I think this will have a snowball effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagellanD
If the xbox was connected to the internet already isnt that all it would need to check in or would u have to actually turn it on. I work at a company where i use LogMeIn to remote into many sites sometimes i have to send a wakeup command to wake on LAN couldnt they do that as well or am i not understanding this correctly am i missing something.
Without a doubt this Sony announcement compounds on that TEN FOLD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirimon
The Speculators can and will perceive this to be a huge benefit to the consumer and the shift to the more economical and consumer friendly business model.
Lets Face it PS3 sucked at $599 and sony totally started off behind Xbox on that. M$ has been resting on their laurels thinking they were safe. They are not.
He's basically saying the same thing as the guy who said just deal with it. Is he getting fired too? I doubt it.
for M$ it's about controlling and stopping the hacked/modded systems and piracy. it's how they will further be able to brick systems one the hackers figure out how to get passed the new system...again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lethaltyrant
It's also (second in line) a way for them to be mostly cloud based and verify who you are.
It's in no way about trusting the consumer. Many articles I've read seem to think that the piracy issue (while it is an issue) isn't big enough to lock down that system like that for their users. This shouldn't hve been an issue at all.
We use Citrix login where I work so it's similar.
There is a difference to being yelled at and fired.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deaths Nation
hehe I keep thinking about inglorious basterds "I've been chewed out before"
In this video the bottom line is the message wasn't Pro Xbox One which the company should be taking that stance in the wake of this PR disaster. Instead all he did and could say was.."well there is xBox 360"
They are probably still drafting the corporate Memorandum which we will all start hearing very often soon from MS as they regroup and "strategize"
It's not like M$ to just lay down and die.
http://files.sharenator.com/thats_ig...360-139304.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by MagellanD
There's no Microsoft gag order. Viacom paid A LOT of money to have exclusivity rights for E3 broadcasts and interviews, and some youtube user is posting pirated versions of their copyright protected interview.
oh.. I suppose it's worth mentioning in here, a recent FRAGO was published prohibiting the XBOX ONE from being on DoD installations, it is still being distributed down to the lowest levels (if you don't know.. this means soldiers on base/post/camp and such will not be able to purchase from the exchange and are not allowed to bring the device itself on post) for persistent security threat assessment.
So what happens if you don't turn on the x1 for 24 hours? If I go to Vegas for the weekend and the machine doesn't get turned on for 3 days?
nothing, I think people are making this a bigger deal than what it is...people are so butthurt about paying for a new console that they have to convince themselves not to buy it.Quote:
Originally Posted by EV76
It self destructs.
im just really sad about the future of microsoft ive always been an xbox gamer first and owned all the playstations aswell
but it makes me sad that all of us gamers have made xbox what it is today even when microsoft was the underdog with the first xbox its sad for them to turn round and shaft us the way they are without so much as a care in the world
i might at somepoint get an xbox one but for me im a gamer first and i like a large percentage of people will speak with my wallet and i think that anyone who just accepts microsofts bs needs to re think the whole next gen stuff
even though ive always loved ms i really hope there decisions hurt them and make the xboxone the next wiiu simply because there hurting the gaming industry in a massive way and even worse they just dont care
A word from PlayStation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIF...ature=youtu.be
thanks for new link nice one i salute you :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by MagellanD
In other words. We won't see this being aired by them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reverend Blood
While it is correct that they have the rights which does make this technically illegal, you have to admit the public needs to see this response.
Thanks pace122004 for the reply and thanks deaths nation for making me laugh.
@xeno hunter that was pretty funny play station ad.
Well that guys fired
And they can visit almost any Viacom partnered media outlet to see it. Like I said, in plain English, there is no gag order.Quote:
Originally Posted by MagellanD
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/s...ategy--stream-
http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/12/d...ine/#continued
http://www.oxm.co.uk/56241/don-mattr...ear-sub-staff/
Like I said I AGREE with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reverend Blood
Sheesh can't even shoot you a compliment.
Perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you're saying. But the 24-hour online verification is not only for games with an online component; it's required for single-player (and other media services) as well. If you don't verify online within every 24 hours, you won't be able to play even the single-player portion of the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hiero Glyph
Online passes cut off only the online component of the game, but this cuts off the entire game.
That's at least my understanding.
That is correct. No single player offline games without check in.Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnnyPersia
so...like playing defiance!Quote:
Originally Posted by MagellanD