So what happened to them running along side each other?
Someone has really screwed up the continuity. If the plague happened in the Bay Area months ago, how did Nolan steal from Varus and Rynn end up in San Francisco ingame before the plague yet switch to Defiance and the story there says it happened months go?
Sort it out please Trion.
Wooow, that's pretty bad if they did that...
This is just a guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if the time between episodes can sometimes be more than just a week's length (or in some cases maybe less than a week's length).
It would be really helpful if they had an official timeline somewhere (that would get regularly updated between episodes) on their site or whatnot that would place the game events within the timeline of the show, especially if the show does indeed move at a variable rate rather than each episode being week-to-week.
I'm watching it now as it airs in the UK. The doctor in the show came in with a radio message from San Francisco which was from Eren, it said the outbreak had happened months ago in the Bay Area but she'd develpoed a cure.Quote:
Originally Posted by Omnifarious Xji
Have you seen the day and night cycle in game... it isnt 24 hours but allot faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Christm77
So in one day of play time... several days pass Really, so 2 weeks is more like several months in the TV show.
About Nolan and stealing...that happend really before the TV show even started (the first episode missions)
And same really for Rynn...it whas a bit fast when she came into the game after the episode (mostly because trion ...and i dont know why they release the contend before the episode airs) but the ingame day and night cycle is faster then the tv show.
I think thats the only reason why it seems so out of line with the show realy....just take it with a grain (or bottle) of salt, and just try to enjoy it :)
The timelines don't match up so that a week is always a week. For example, the plague first started in-game 3 weeks ago.
Yeah the timeline isn't 1:1 with our world. Just look at the e-rep hopping back and forth between different places :)
One week for us could be a month in the series, it all depend on how they do it.
I'm less concerned with the timeline and more concerned with the unimpressive crossovers. I bought the game based on the premise that the worlds were combined and in-game actions impacted the show and visa-versa, but it has been made pretty clear in livestreams and game content alike that the worlds exist almost completely independent of one another. I understand the whole "the badlands is dangerous and not everyone can cross" premise for the extreme separation, but isn't my in-game character an arkhunter? Like, a person that goes out to seek danger and puts their life on the line would not, in my opinion, qualify as a part of the masses that would not be able to make a badlands journey. Rynn made it, right? And then I had to help her in an episode mission.
i dont know about that. personally i couldn't make heads or tails of that message...what i do know, it's not the first time the plague has happened. first episode of series explained this. and i do know, that it would not take months for the missile we all launched to reach st louis from san fran is maybe a two hour flight....
Ok seriously now, you guys are just finding thingsto ***** about.
Not to mention during the trip to the ICBM, you're attacked by infected victims.Quote:
Originally Posted by Powdered ToastMan
Also, I can't see an ICBM performing an effective "delivery". or even it surviving a trip in what is supposedly preventing the use of high altitude vehicles.
I wish it would just be admitted already.......the stories between the two just don't fit.
As far as it appears to me..........the only similarity between the game and the show are names. JUST names.
Give it time nov, time. considering it's only been sense April and this show is only on it's what...tenth or eleventh episode?Quote:
Originally Posted by novat0
At this time so far we have managed to save Defiance from a plague, and harbor a fugitive ... not much but something. And now based on this newest episode, im thinking next week we will see not only possibly Rhynn but defiantly some eschilons hunting down Nolan...it's probably going to be a while before they release an expansion allowing us more transit...if you watch the show, then you already know about how the current Mayor wants to create a train between San Fran and Defiance ... can you not see what potentially Trion has in store for us?
Maybe the outbreak did start months ago, and besides the already given answer of "it's not a 1:1 timeline" there are other possible explanations that actually can accompany that answer.
It could have started months ago, but how long would it take to reach stage 4? We were introduced to it with stage 4 afflicted. The plague could have started earlier and we just didn't know.
SF is pretty barren, it could have started off real small and unnoticed and finally worked its way into settlements. Unlike Defiance, where people are closer compacted and the opportunity for it to spread faster is greater.
Cures just don't pop out of the blue either, that could have taken a while to create.
But yeah, tv and game time frames aren't the same as in real life (unless you are watching 24). A single episode of any tv show can span days, weeks, or even years. I think a lot of people are basing the game/show time frame based on when Nolan left the bay and 2 weeks later was in Defiance on the TV show. What isn't really said is the time frame between the two, or for how long Nolan was actually in that area (or stopped by other areas) before the events of the first episode.
Doc said her associate in the Bay area has been working on a cure for months. MONTHS. That is not three weeks, that's two months minimum.
If your trying to rationalize it with the ingame day/night cycle, then why have content start/stop to coinside with the episodes?
I think I'm asking for continuity here. Don't try to change the rules to cover a possible flub. Own up to it. I am more then willing to accept that maybe it was an accident that was overlooked. Shtako happens.
Edit for better clarification.
Really? so the timeline isn't 1:1. Then why make a big deal about giving Nolan and Irisa two weeks to travel from San Fran to St. Louis? You guys "the devs' have pushed continuity between game and show since day one. Now you say it isn't... Just own up to a simple script flub for shtakos sake.
personally, i figured it was going to be a gas cure as in the missile lands and creates a big cloud or something...Quote:
Originally Posted by baelrusk
but i wont get into details, as it's a bit complicated. it would be possible to get the missile near Defiance safely. it's just a matter of calibrating the trajectory and a few other things as well. most likely the vaccine cases would be placed in the warheads container. also, i am sure erin like the doctor in defi used some alien tec to help the process.
it is sci fi after all, don't forget that. so all else fails remind yourself "thank god we invented the ___"
Just because the episodes air one week apart, it doesn't mean the content is too. The last few episodes could have taken place over months for all we know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nokz
And i think you are missing the point as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nokz
A. Months she had been working on a cure....not the plague itself. (most likely from one of the previous outbreaks she maintained antigens, dead virus bits, etc)
B. There have been out breaks in the past, thus how it would make sense a cure would have been "worked" on.
C. it is sci fi. not reality. so always, if you get upset you need to remind yourself of "thank goodness we invented the___"
and finally. D. they got the plague from that San Fran reporter. If you think about it with a calm head, you could rationalize something simple as, she came in to Defiance on an armored transport. she left San Fran before the stage 4 so had no idea she was a carrier.
on that note, i also liked the person who said that it might have been already going on months before we started playing in this game. it would make some sense that possibly, among other things...Rhynn caught it along the way and brought it to Bay area.
Just adding on to, Schmiznurf. Remember what Rynn said about the note bout Sukar (Love to see him ingame) "Wha-... THIS WAS SENT DAYS AGO!" Also since there's no Air Mail, because no planes due to radiation. (Carrier was below radiation lvl) Letter deliveries, would be like in the Old West, be received weeks or even months.Quote:
Originally Posted by Schmiznurf
One thing your all forgetting and many of us still want an answer for, who was the Ark Hunter that Eren sent out for materials to synthezise the cure?
It clearly wasn't us so who? Unless Trion are planning a reveal, its either too late as the plague is over ingame & in Defiance or someone dropped the ball in the planning & forgot about it.
Personally I figured that this would be the crossover episode that brought in the player character from Defiance but clearly it wasn't.
I understand patience, but the entire pre-launch marketing campaign made it seem much more than it is. I hope it does get better soon, I just think the pre-launch marketing was a little deceitful.
Really......I figured a lot of the questionable story would be explained in a mission the CG in the trailer showed. But we never saw any of that in-game so maybe that would have explained at least some of it.
Besides.......didn't Rynne arrive before the plague? If that's right.......the entire plague thing which was months took place after Rynne escaped to the bay area.
I'm seeing poorly stitched together story ties.
Naw, it was us. but it's one of those "personal" experiences where we all figured it was ourselves...but really, doctor would not have necessarily known that it was multiple arc hunters. also, the cross over cameo my bet will be for next season.Quote:
Originally Posted by Christm77
if the timelines aren't meant to match up, then why remove the Nolan/Irisa quests from the game two weeks before the show launched? The reason we were given was 'they need time to drive from San Fran to St. Louis'.
Why would a doctor be working on a cure we knew nothing about previously? If it was from a previous outbreak, then why hadn't the cure already processed? If she had been working on this cure for months, then this plague was something already known about.
Frankly I really don't care. What's getting me is the bending of their own rules, expecting us to buy into like we're five year olds. Rationalize it all you like, Trion and Syfy bragged/pushed this world and concept based on continuity between the two. And up until this episode have only tried to reinforce that concept. Now, as though it's nothing, they attempt to retcon that concept.
Timelines don't match up? Shtako.
Of course they don't match up, they threw out their continuity argument with the rynn episodic content. It's gone down hill ever since.
Well, for one thing. Erin is immune to the plague. So just because she started working on a cure before, doesn't mean it didn't get lost in a pile of experiments....
I feel as if you have your head set on stubborn and unwilling to see possibilities around. Honestly, i find it more fun making my own story thicker by filling in gaps and making things as i go along. Much like K-Tam did and i love that.
also, yes. the hemorrhagic fever has happened before, in fact many times. if you did not notice, nolan seemed all to familiar. also the town of defiance its self had been known for killing iraths from the last time they had a plague. my guess, it was going on during the pale wars even. in fact i am sure it was.
also, something to think about as well. when the "englanders" arrived in colonial america, the were known to be carriers of viruses. cholera for example. natuves of the area much like the humans suffered. just because she potentially has a cure, not until it hits level 4 does she even think about it really...why?
Them ****ed up Robot humanoids are already known to be seriously immoral when it comes to war, even biological. think about it...
would they benefit from all humanity being extinct? wouldn't put it past the "good" doctor and her friend Erin to hold out on humans for any reaspn at all.
What?? you mean it is all a work of fiction???Quote:
Originally Posted by baelrusk
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Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch
How so? from what i remember...she escaped. she ended up in game.
now looks like shes on her way back. probably going to be two episodes, or the finally when we see her in show.
time it takes to get from San Fran bay area to St. Louis gateway arch driving: approx 30 hours. walking: approx 28 days.
this is in 2013 june. so if you imagine the sci-fi bad lands esk features...knowing rhynn and nolan have both done this...probably takes approx a week in a vehicle.
time is relevant yes. but so is imagination. thus the fiction portion in Sci-Fi
Wouldn't you expect Novel Volumes in the same series to at least not contradict each other.Quote:
Originally Posted by TigrisMorte
Or a better example.......the individual chapters in a single volume.
ie: "You mean chapter 6 actually took place between ch1 and ch2? Why didn't they say anything. Wait......why was this character still around in ch3 like nothing happened even though they were kidnapped at the end of ch6? Oh so that is explained in ch9 which actually takes place halfway through ch2..........huh?"
Maybe Trion should put up an active update Timeline on the site, showing during what order these things actually happen in sequence.
My thing about Rynne could be explained like this
- Rynne leaves defiance
- _____________________Rynne arrives in bay area
- _____________________Plague happens in bay area
- _____________________Plague resolved plague resolved bay area
- Plague hits Defiance
- _____________________Echelon searching for Nolan/Rynne learns about what happened
So #2 through #4 happened many months before #5
In short.....Rynne would have arrived in bay area before cure for plague was being worked on.
So if the cure was months before it hit Defiance.......
And then she finds out the letter (latest story mission series) about what 'happened' during her absence......
But apparently she left Defiance many, many months ago.
I'm all for time between things, and prequels...........But this is just extreme.
And Sukar's problem happens somewhere between 1 and 4.......and the letter with news on Sukar is a few days before 6
She was in game before she escaped. Trion made the brilliant move to put the content in game hours before the episode even aired in any of the time zones.Quote:
Originally Posted by Powdered ToastMan
Then they need to make that clear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Powdered ToastMan
I'm not convinced, I still think they dropped the ball and its an oversight or content didn't get released properly.
I'm more inclined to think patchwork storytelling.Quote:
Originally Posted by Christm77
They needed to show story tie-is.........so they through something together.
It may sound harsh, and fanboys may not like me saying it. But that's just plain how it looks to me. And I'm a HEAVY reader.
They claimed the episodic content was already done, but this less is more crap makes me think the same that it's just thrown together at the last minute.Quote:
Originally Posted by baelrusk
Well - perhaps it's not clear to you because we never state the actual date of things in the show or the game.
It's not us "dropping the ball" as this whole Tv Tie In Schedule has been in place for quite some time. This is all intended and part of the plan. I'll say it again, just because a week passes in between episodes doesn't mean it was a week in the "world of Defiance".
Well that is how it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch
Whoever wrote it should be ashamed of themselves.
So your basicly saying you guys intended for the timelines and the tie ins to be jacked up? And its all part of the plan? Is that plan to continue to confuse both gamers and watchers with half informations and back peddling when it suits your pourpose?.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myll_Erik
Cause that is whats happening on a regular basis. We the players and show watchers are not 9 year old waiting on the next captain kangaroo episode to see what happened to rocky and Bullwinkle. Nor is the the first game we have played.
And cant speak to others but as for myself yes you droped the ball.
You realy want people to hang in there a keep waiting, or better yet to actualy be able to trust you guys know what the hell your doing. Give us more information than wait we got plans we are working on it.
But to openly say this is planned and that its intended is just a slap in the face to people who actualy care about intersecting story and a lot of the other things this game was hyped on and sold under the pretense of
Then at least tell whoever was doing the timeline for things in the storylines to make a timeline and post it on the site. Then they can update it whenever something happens.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myll_Erik
As it is, it's so jumbled up it's like the timeline order feels as if it was made by a 10 year old.
Seriously guys? Just have fun with it!
It's not perfect, but nor is it anywhere near the major disaster some of you are trying to make of it. Keep in mind, that this is the first time anyone has ever tried anything like this. It's bold, and it's innovative, but it will take a little time to polish it to perfection and I give Trion and Sci Fi major kudos for the attempt.
That said, I don't see anything harmful about having fun with it and doing a little intellectual rationalization for the fun of it, but why take it so seriously (for those of you who are).
In the spirit of a bit intellectual rationalization for fun's sake I would say the following:
We saw the plague 3 weeks (2 episdoes) before the episode aired. Their are several in game days for every real day (you can watch them pass while you play for a few hours), so it is very feasible to imagine that the plague initially hit the bay area months before it hit Defiance (i.e. if 4 days pass in game for every real day that would be 3 months). It is also feaseable to imagine that Eren began working on a vaccine has soon as the plague hit.
That said, go have some fun, and don't take it so seriously.
I enjoy the tv show and the game and I think this is kind of a bad excuse. It makes no sense to have the infection happen months ago for people playing the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Myll_Erik
Also makes no sense that huge chunks of time have passed between the tv show episodes because apparently no one's story/arc changes and absolutely nothing of importance happens to them like ever in the downtime?
+100Quote:
Originally Posted by Snodination
I don't know, I guess people just like to complain about Irisa's right eyeball or Nolan's left shoe color. They got a rough date for the DLC so they had to move to something else to complain about ;)
Something that absolutly needs to be adressed otherwise the sky will fall tomorrow. It's not like we were talking about meaningless entertainment products just designed for this very purpose ;)