So sick of infectors

[Cyripax NeoPrime]

So sick of hearing whiny crybabies yell nerf because they arent smart enough to combat what in reality is a very underpowered gun in pve. If your getting killed by infectors in pvp, who cares? The pvp in this game is a joke anyway, and is only a small 10% nugget bi-product that the bigger picture shat out. The bigger picture bieng the other 90% of the game where infectors actually need a pretty good buff! But oh no, lets keep nerfing guns for pvp just because some ppl keep getting killed by em. Lets not look at it another way and say maybe you just suck at pvp. There will always be something op in pvp, yall gunna keep crying nerf till every gun in this game does the same exact damage per shot? Realize the bigger picture. Your just crying for the slow death of a great game everytime someone asks for a nerf.

Theres lots of things in pvp that piss me off, but im not going to ruin the game for anyone by supporting nerfs everytime someone would rather whine than find one of the many strategies to combat those guns/builds

[born2beagator]

So sick of hearing whiny crybabies yell nerf because they arent smart enough to combat what in reality is a very underpowered gun in pve. If your getting killed by infectors in pvp, who cares? The pvp in this game is a joke anyway, and is only a small 10% nugget bi-product that the bigger picture shat out. The bigger picture bieng the other 90% of the game where infectors actually need a pretty good buff! But oh no, lets keep nerfing guns for pvp just because some ppl keep getting killed by em. Lets not look at it another way and say maybe you just suck at pvp. There will always be something op in pvp, yall gunna keep crying nerf till every gun in this game does the same exact damage per shot? Realize the bigger picture. Your just crying for the slow death of a great game everytime someone asks for a nerf.

Theres lots of things in pvp that piss me off, but im not going to ruin the game for anyone by supporting nerfs everytime someone would rather whine than find one of the many strategies to combat those guns/builds

Couldn't have put it better myself. Its even worse for me since I NEVER play the PvP on this game. Tried it once, hated it. So the fact that nerfs effect my PvE experience really ticks me off.

[Erazor]

Yes, let nerf a weapon for PVP.. who cares it effects in the PVE side too, so those who only pve can now throw the weapon out. Some PVP start crying they dying too much.

the weapon is OP and you know it, it needs a nerf because its driving people away from PvP which is prob the only real group activity that isnt an eternal circle of boredem or would be if these stupid weapons where nerfed you know like repeating the co-op mission over and over or doing arkfalls over and over and at the mo gettin downed by infectors over and over PvP should be about the skilled player not about how i can fire from the hip lookin at the floor and hit the target i didnt even know was there. don't you infector ****** see that all that time that you been getting xp that you havent actually earned that your not playing a game.... your supposed to be challaged to out think your enemy to develop skill not take just press a button and hope for a kill but earn it, all these noobs that claim to be gamers don't even know what the word game means and you all know it.

[RevJynxed]

the weapon is OP and you know it, it needs a nerf because its driving people away from PvP which is prob the only real group activity that isnt an eternal circle of boredem or would be if these stupid weapons where nerfed you know like repeating the co-op mission over and over or doing arkfalls over and over and at the mo gettin downed by infectors over and over PvP should be about the skilled player not about how i can fire from the hip lookin at the floor and hit the target i didnt even know was there. don't you infector ****** see that all that time that you been getting xp that you havent actually earned that your not playing a game.... your supposed to be challaged to out think your enemy to develop skill not take just press a button and hope for a kill but earn it, all these noobs that claim to be gamers don't even know what the word game means and you all know it.

Oh look, someone else is mad about getting killed.

Get gooder.

[Turantula]

1. No infector has beatin my saw outright
2. No infector has beaten my heavy assault rifle outright
3. No infector has beaten any shotgun I have outright

Meaning no infector over powers any of these guns if your using the right tactics. Hell even pistols probably have the upper hand especially if you get the drop. That's the issue though isn't it? You run blindly into battle with no awareness and get demolished by these plastic toys lol. I have an awesome immunizer that I use every once in a while, but im good with it because I play to its strengths, not cause im running around like a chicken with my head cut off. They don't work that way.

[Nerf Err Thang]

Couldn't have put it better myself. Its even worse for me since I NEVER play the PvP on this game. Tried it once, hated it. So the fact that nerfs effect my PvE experience really ticks me off.

I don't see why Trion listen to the PvP crowd so much.

[Nerf Err Thang]

1. No infector has beatin my saw outright
2. No infector has beaten my heavy assault rifle outright
3. No infector has beaten any shotgun I have outright

1. Either you don't play PvP that much.
2. You haven't went up against someone with high level infector skill.
3. Shenanigans

[Indra Echo]

1. No infector has beatin my saw outright
2. No infector has beaten my heavy assault rifle outright
3. No infector has beaten any shotgun I have outright

Meaning no infector over powers any of these guns if your using the right tactics. Hell even pistols probably have the upper hand especially if you get the drop. That's the issue though isn't it? You run blindly into battle with no awareness and get demolished by these plastic toys lol. I have an awesome immunizer that I use every once in a while, but im good with it because I play to its strengths, not cause im running around like a chicken with my head cut off. They don't work that way.

And most people don't use them that way either. It isn't about running into battle with no awareness. I don't think you can have played Freightyard much. Get to a cap point. Attempt to take the cap point. Prior to getting to that point I know: Some cloaked (infinitely cloaked by the way) player will have an immunizer and be somewhere I cannot see him. So, I do my best to take the point and retreat to cover, keep my eyes open for sniping infectors. From out of nowhere the bugs arrive and I'm blind. I'm running and rolling to the best of my knowledge out of range when now 3 other teammates of the first guy now hit me with their bugs. Yeah, all the strategizing in the world and shooting at them with my SAW is going to stop this. You talk about getting the drop. Apparently you also have no idea how people are using these things and yet you claim to know how they should be used. You can't get the drop on someone using an Immunizer as it should be used to be effective. They don't always run right up to your face and say, "I will shoot you now."


Ok this is ridiculous. I agree that PvE and PvP weapon issues should be separate. In PvE Infectors are not OP, in PvP some certainly are. People have their fingers in their ears if they say it isn't so.

The Immunizer is such a weapon. And to say your gun can outpower it is to deny how it is used. It's not like most Immunizer users come up face to face and shoot you. Even I can outpower them most of the time.

The Immunizer in particular is a problem. It has sniper range with auto aim and homing capability. That means that if you spawn some guy can shoot at you from cloak from over near Point A in Freight yard and hit you before you ever see it coming. It causes almost immediate "blindness". That means even if you could see it coming, now you can't see anything. It has homing capability. It can hit you even if the user doesn't accurately aim it at you or even if you are in cloak. And once you're hit, that's it unless you can get out of its range (but oops that often means you enter the range of the next one). It nullifies cover. You can run, but you cannot hide from its projectiles unless you can get out of range. But in order to do so, you need to be able to see where it's coming from (hint: it blinds you).

It has tick (repeating bug damage). You have to get out of range and do a lot of rolling to get it to stop, but even then the blindness persists for several seconds afterwards.

It spawns bugs that can then also attack your teammates.

Now, I know better than to take PvP seriously but to say these guns are not OPed is inane. I tend to think that all weapons should have one or maybe two OP capabilities along with some real vulnerabilities. At range and even in close and behind or cloaked near to a target, the Immunizer in particular can be all but impossible to defend against. The vulnerabilities are reduced to zero. And I'm not even touching upon the use of certain mods that exploit a game glitch or give it better range.

I look at it like this. If Rocket Launchers in the game were given homing capabilities, bigger mags, fast reload times, caused blindness, tick damage, had sniper range, could go around and over cover, and spawned homing little bomblets that always hit other targets for damage, it would be obvious because the rocket launcher is a big weapon with explosions. People act like bug guns (mostly the Immunizer) are just toys. But there's a reason why they're so prevalent in every PvP match (some matches it seems all players are using them) and why people are willing to pay so much for them.

I never see any Immunizer users say it's too underpowered or that they keep getting owned in PvP. They brag about its capabilities and about the mods they have on it AND about how they always are tops on the scoreboard. I don't have any problem with that last part-some players do have real skill and deserve to be on top. Immunizers don't require any skill and there are a few that use it that admit that's true. Even you can't decide-you call them toys but say you have an awesome one you use. Uh, conflicted much.

[Horiba]

Can we just nerf everything until the gun I like is the OP one? SAWs and Infectors are getting the big nerf the whiners want, so stop whining. Soon enough everyone will be able to sit in the middle of the map together shooting each other with paintballs and no one will die. Then we all win!

[Indra Echo]

Can we just nerf everything until the gun I like is the OP one? SAWs and Infectors are getting the big nerf the whiners want, so stop whining. Soon enough everyone will be able to sit in the middle of the map together shooting each other with paintballs and no one will die. Then we all win!

You know instead of labeling everyone whiners why not actually contribute something to a discussion. Personally, I don't want everything nerfed but I do agree with the idea of balance. And I agree it should be different for PvE and PvP. No weapon should be so heavily weighted that it becomes the exclusive weapon of most players in PvP. It means that weapon has no vulnerabilities.

Immunizers are in a class by themselves-over and above the other infectors. And even I would say they should keep their range and their damage, and many things. I do think they should however require some skill to use. They are virtual nukes being used against those paintballs when used stealthily-the only skill required. And in PvP that infinite cloak that still exists even though it was supposed to have been fixed takes away that need.

Balance. Rocket Launchers should do massive damage or at least be extremely powerful. But leave you vulnerable and be heavy, slow to reload, cumbersome to shoot. Players shouldn't be able to jump shoot you with a Bonfire. And the bomblets from RLs should also damage the shooter when they get hit by them. I've used the Mass Cannon and the bomblets don't hurt me at all. Vulnerabilities.

The infector grenade has some sort of dumb bugs, their seek capability isn't always that good in PvP, in PvE they're great and deadly-but the bugs from infector guns are super smart and deadly in PvP. Ok pick one. Bugs are bugs.

A player should not be able to remain in cloak when shooting anything and yet with Infectors they do. I've been facing people that never come out of cloak when shooting. The whole freaking thing needs to be fixed. If only because it's rare to fight against anyone who is not using an infector and especially an immunizer. That will kill PvP.



If you like PvP and were forced to only ever use Paintball guns in it, how long would it hold your interest? How about if you could only ever play with a SAW or a pistol or a knife? Always. Well, what has happened is if someone says they don't like infectors someone else says they should use one too to fight back. In effect, PvP is now mostly infectors and was on its way to becoming infectors only. Again, PvP killer.