Defiance won't be on during football season.
Defiance won't be on during football season.
Ha ha ha-good catch.Originally Posted by Remag Div
I think as we get to know the characters Defiance only gets better.
People today don't want much of a prologue in books or in movies or in tv (it's a trend in writing-in the past stories used to have big prologues that allowed you to get to know characters and their histories). So, all stories rely upon the writers being able to get you to identify with the people along the way. It's truly difficult when attempting to write 3 dimensional characters that can have good traits and bad ones. I think they're doing quite well with all that.
Of course you can, and should. Ratings are inherently a competition and inherently a zero-sum game.
We'll have to agree to disagree there.Considering Syfy's overall viewership, you better believe they're happy around 2 million viewers.
I would be stunned if the per-episode costs of something like Defiance wasn't at least two orders of magnitude higher than something like The Fosters.In terms of costs, the fixed costs are all paid right now. I can't imagine variable costs are very high for the second season.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think SyFy is going to pull the plug. I doubt at this point they could even if they wanted to. But I don't believe for a second that it's performing at anything near the level they'd hoped for.
I'm pretty sure not one NBA finals game aired on the same day as Defiance. I don't watch Hockey so I can't comment on which days the NHL finals were played.
People always overestimate the ratings that Syfy gets for it's tv show. While I'm sure a company like Syfy would love to have ratings like a regular primetime channel they simply dont.
The ratings for the Defiance premiere were the best ratings for a premier since Eureka in 2006. The highest rated show ever on Syfy only drew like 4 million viewers ( random Warehouse 13 episode ).
Granted cost of making a show will factor into whether or not a show will get renewed but the point is that the ratings Defiance has are still pretty good, for a Syfy show.
I know this us US only ratings, but in Canada, they would probably have better ratings if they didn't air the show at friggin' 10pm EST!
Across the Badlands is over before the show is up here. lol
The problem with ratings is that they do not catch all the ways the show can be watched. Usually the ratings posted are for the people who watch it on the channel as it happens. It does not take into account the streamers, on demanders, and DVR'ers. However, DVR ratings can be taken into account based on what system the rating is using. Some use the Live +7, where as long as you watch the show you recorded within 7 days, it will show up in a secondary release of ratings (and I am assuming you are posting the primary release of ratings). Those that don't use the Live +7 usually still can be counted for the secondary ratings, but typically have only 72 hours to be watched in order to count.
Some shows using the secondary (dvr) ratings can see a ratings jump as high as 40% for that episode. I think Modern Family had one of the highest increases due to DVR ratings, but I don't recall the exact number. On the same note, only the first time watching the recorded episode counts. Any subsequent viewings do not. So, let's say you watched the recorded show (or watched it as it was recording--which counts for primary but WILL NOT count for secondary) and loved it. You told all your friends about it who missed out on the episode. Instead of your friends waiting for it to re-air, they come over to your house and watch the recorded version. They never get counted for ratings.
Streaming does not count for ratings the same way that live viewing does. It doesn't hit rating numbers or things of that nature (and it is usually the production company tracking those numbers, not rating systems). There are 2 big reasons for this. First, while some sites allow "legal" streaming of movies/shows, there are two-five times as many that do so "illegally". Of course those streams will never get counted, not even by the production company. The second is money. Shows make money by advertisers. Which advertisers pay more money? On the tv, where more ad space is available and it can reach a broader audience OR on the computer, where ad space is severely limited and has a lower chance of reaching a targeted audience?
And finally, we have something else that has become popular over the years. On Demand. Plain and simple, On Demand viewing does not count towards ratings. Period.
You can't really bring streaming/online viewship into the equation, because it's not for any other show. Every show out there has to deal with it.
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These numbers are live+SD, so while they do count some peripheral viewers you are right in that they'll miss a lot. However, I'm not convinced it matters, since the same can be said of any show and I'm fairly certain the various advertisers use their own variation on metrics anyway.
Not sure if live+7d is available anywhere for cable stuff, I've only seen it for major network shows, but it would be interesting to see what, if any, overall difference it made.
Exactly. Same with On Demand.
On a side note, which kind of audience do you think would be most likely to use a computer to watch a show (stream), soap opera drama-teers or sci-fi techies? And what kind of show is Defiance?
PS: Ratings aren't for viewers, they are for advertisers.
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