Upcoming Balance Changes

[Arsenic_Touch]

So, with all the negative feedback on most of these balancing changes, is Trion still going to move forward with them?

You saw the negative feedback that came with the ego drop for perks and they still went forward.
There was plenty of negative feedback when they lowered the ammo for shotguns, ruined some shotguns and ruined shotgun ammo mods and ammo bonuses, I really doubt they care about the negative feedback when it comes to their terrible idea of balancing.

[Justified]

You saw the negative feedback that came with the ego drop for perks and they still went forward.
There was plenty of negative feedback when they lowered the ammo for shotguns, ruined some shotguns and ruined shotgun ammo mods and ammo bonuses, I really doubt they care about the negative feedback when it comes to their terrible idea of balancing.

I don't recall back then. Was it a dev that came in and posted about the changes then too? Not being snarky. Just don't remember. I thought it was all just "Here's the up coming patch and what we're doing." I'm just trying to be optimistic and saying this thread is more like a feeler thread... lol. It's probably misplaced optimism though.

[JxSiN]

I don't recall back then. Was it a dev that came in and posted about the changes then too? Not being snarky. Just don't remember. I thought it was all just "Here's the up coming patch and what we're doing." I'm just trying to be optimistic and saying this thread is more like a feeler thread... lol. It's probably misplaced optimism though.

It was a patch discussion just like every other one they gave us. This time, there was a huge outpour of criticism towards it. Also, when the patchnotes came out, there was no date posted originally. I found out the patch went through by logging on one day and seeing the patch on my game. I then came to the forums because I was like "wtf" but I could not find the patch discussion thread anywhere. I went through 3 pages of forum topics before I realized they had moved the topic to a sticky. Frankly, I never remember any other patch being pushed through so fast or for the patch conversation being moved to a sticky. How many people actually breeze by the stickies, thinking they already have seen them (there were already 3 stickies before they moved it, and they replaced one sticky with the "discussion" leaving 3 stickies on that list). I know I breezed by them. It's like they were trying to hide them in plain sight.

[Schnibbly]

Lol, ahh man this game, I just was asking if anything has changed since launch too. Then I spotted this sticky.

I feel bad for the devs, must be a real embarrassing moment when they get on these forums and see all of these reactions, but hey, they earned it

[Fakinell]

How big is this nerf exactly? 'In line with other weapons?' Other weapons or the other LMGs?

I hate to be one of those people, but players on the forums have been asking y'all to buff the other LMGs for quite some time, especially since most are absolute junk. But instead of giving us a reason to use a VOT Disruptor or all the non-SAW LMGs, you're just taking it out on the SAW. Good job.

Totally agree. The SAW Is the only LMG worth using so instead of nerfing it, You should be buffing the other useless LMGs

Absolute lunacy.

[CptBadger]

You saw the negative feedback that came with the ego drop for perks and they still went forward.
There was plenty of negative feedback when they lowered the ammo for shotguns, ruined some shotguns and ruined shotgun ammo mods and ammo bonuses, I really doubt they care about the negative feedback when it comes to their terrible idea of balancing.

Of course they don't care about feedback.

They only say they do (just like EVERY other company out there) because saying otherwise is terrible PR.

[cusman]

Who wants to bet next weapon people start complaining about needing nerf will be the BMG?

[torch327]

I agree completely with a number of points people have made on this thread. These are my two biggest issues here:
1) The reversal to now increase Pump Shotgun clip size after nerfing it before gives me little faith that your team actually knows what they are doing.
2) The biggest problem with Defiance so far is the lagging and glitching. Instead of all this fiddling around, it would be a very wise move to beef up the servers to handle the demand. It's awful when you get near the end of an arkfall or other time consuming play, only to get kicked offline and miss out on rewards.

There is only so much that can be done about lagg with server upgrades.the current generation console just can't handle what this game does,plain and simple.what most everyone is calling lag is actually very poor frame rates because the game is just too much for the old dinosaur set up the consoles are on.
The pc version isn't having anywhere near the problems the consoles are having,especially Xbox360's.drop the 6GB's of ram down to 512MB's in a pc and see what happens.
Everyone wants all this detail in ther game,which I understand,and when it plays like crap they whine.in the last 2 years video games have all had there problems,mainly due to the hardware not being able to handle the software.

[torch327]

Totally agree. The SAW Is the only LMG worth using so instead of nerfing it, You should be buffing the other useless LMGs

Absolute lunacy.

I use the SAW just as much as anyone else.it actually is overpowered.I was a SAW user in the Army and it actually isn't much more powerful than an AR.As a matter of fact,a lot of AR' s are more powerful than a SAW.what we have in the game is more like an M60

[Maitreakow]

Who wants to bet next weapon people start complaining about needing nerf will be the BMG?

Nope, will still be Infectors; now the Deathmatch peeps will switch to Invader/Canker. FY will still be Immunizer, just without the full auto fire.