Petition to not nerf saws and improve other lmgs

[Sgt Baltimore]

SAWS ARE OP, sorry everyone.

I know everyone has a hard on for them, but cmon....over 400 DMG, shoots just as fast as an AR pretty much (uses same ammo too) and has no where near the kick it should...or maybe it does but other LMG's have too much as well.

Saws have more clip size, power and even fire rate...for a LITTLE more kick? wtf is that?

Whatever it is, No one in their right mind is going ANYWHERE near another LMG...Why would you? So now there is pretty much ONE LMG to use in the game....yay!

I admit, ALL other LMG's need a BUFF BADLY, but the SAWS NEED a nerf too...

Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

For God's sake man if u don't agree with the topic plz post your disagreement on the Upcoming changes thread. I'm sure someone there would love to hear what u have to say. But I doubt most ppl here give two shtakos. This supposed to only be for ppl who don't want it nerfed. You can voice ur opinions elsewhere. Thanks

[Combo Breaker]

I am not sure how the poster having an orange SAW or not invalidates his comments...

He has a forum store. He wouldn't run down a high value item if he owned one. Good enough for ya......

[Envy]

SAWS ARE OP, sorry everyone.

I know everyone has a hard on for them, but cmon....over 400 DMG, shoots just as fast as an AR pretty much (uses same ammo too) and has no where near the kick it should...or maybe it does but other LMG's have too much as well.

Saws have more clip size, power and even fire rate...for a LITTLE more kick? wtf is that?

Whatever it is, No one in their right mind is going ANYWHERE near another LMG...Why would you? So now there is pretty much ONE LMG to use in the game....yay!

I admit, ALL other LMG's need a BUFF BADLY, but the SAWS NEED a nerf too...

Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

I second, Everyone knows they are OP.. I won't even use them in pvp cause are insanely op they are. You are understand they are more then likely going to buff the other weapons with an update as well? This is one update.. Grow the **** up

[KillAlot V2]

agreed how many nerfs is that to the saw now its a joke and its totaly lazy on trions part that because the saws outclass the other lmgs because there really really bad rather than them buff some guns for once they just nerf nerf nerf till all guns are just as bad

another problem i have is the heavy scatter guns which i loved pre nerf are useless now so there going to increase the pellets again but reduce dmg even more lol wtf like your going to acctualy get all pellets on target so there basicaly getting nerfd yet again when they really are terrible now.

ive come to realise you guys at trion really are the most lazy bunch of devs ive seen on a game just look at the season finaly the content we were promised is just a rinse and repeat

you guys need to pull your socks up really look at the server logs of the ammount of numbers playing the game since launch you will see a massive decrease cant you guys see your doing nothing but hurting this game

[IAMVILELENT]

Anyone who said the SAW has no kick, and is OP, is an absolute troll and have ZERO merit for any more post in this forum, nor should they be taken seriously, and every user should take the time to permanently ignore that player.

From a HARDCORE SAW user, both PVP & PVE.

1. Without a proper setup the SAW is useless, you need crit perks, and crouch perks. -Bloom- -No Dmg-
2. Firing from the hip is NOT an option. -Bloom-
3. Firing while running is NOT an option. -Bloom-
4. Firing while jumping is NOT an option. -Bloom-
5. If you are standing on a rock, and your feet aren't planted, the game thinks you are in the air, you MUST BE FLAT to have decent bloom/accuracy. -Bloom-
6. Large ammo pool, sure? The gun eats ammo fast, you have to run around looking for more ammo. -Resource Management-
7. Getting hit by anything, INCREASES RECOIL. -Bloom- -Recoil-
8. Full auto fire is NOT an option even though you can, your cursor will bounce up about 3 inches by the time you're done. The SAW is a gun you HAVE to control to make it viable, its NOT a spray and pray gun. -Bloom- -Recoil-
9. In PVP anyone with Rear Guard only takes 50-150 damage from the weapon! Per landed bullet, guess what, the bloom doesn't help either. -Low Damage-
10. In PVP, head shots do a lot of damage yeah, within 10-20m outside or within that? Good luck getting a head shot after your first 2 shots.

What does the SAW have going for it that separates it from a semiauto AR, which I will add, a lot of people are just going to switch too. Is the fact the SAW has high damage output, low accuracy, HIGH recoil, big mag, with GOOD reward for people who control it and use it with some degree of skill. AR's have high damage output and accuracy, just a smaller magazine. If Trion would just buff the other LMG's they would not only make the community happy, but give a reason to use those other LMG's, even AFTER this nerf, the other LMG's will hardly be used unless its the only option, which clearly it isnt. Trion nerfing the SAW, rather then buffing the other guns, IS going to kill your game. Dont think so? Look back at APB and APB reloaded shotgun/AR nerf. I'm not going to do your CEO's study work for them, so take your time, and look back at what happened after that nerf. Then decide what you want Defiance to be, because with the season over, you're going to wish you hadn't pissed off 80-90% of your player base, I guarantee it.

[Sgt Baltimore]

I second, Everyone knows they are OP.. I won't even use them in pvp cause are insanely op they are. You are understand they are more then likely going to buff the other weapons with an update as well? This is one update.. Grow the **** up

The point is the gun is one of the most fun to use and its not ruining anyone's pve or pvp experience SO WHO CARES IF IT'S OP. I mean u do play this game to have fun right. Therefor it doesn't need a nerf. Everyone cries about infectors ruining there pvp experience, nobody cried about saw

[Sdric]

Well,

I think the main reason people disagree about the SAW nerf is the context.
Is a SAW op compared to other LMGs, TACC, Blast and FRC AR?
Yes it is.

It it OP compared to Infectors, Shotguns, SMGs, Bolt Sniper Rifles, Grenade Launchers, (or Pistols*PvE)?
It's not.

Most of the players who appreciate the nerf are either AR or LMG users who compare it within those two classes.
However, if we compare it in a greater context those both classes suffer from some serious flaws.
Flaws that won't get fixed by nerfing SAW, but only by improving other guns.

Thus requesting an overall buff for SMGs and ARs is valid in my eyes.

Does the SAW require a nerf?
We can talk about that once the other guns are fixed.

[StrikerF91]

no nerf no nerf no nerf

[Sgt Baltimore]

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[keysmachine]

i was wondering why there was such an outcry about this gun being nerfed.

then i realized that of all the combo's the SAW was the best gun out of every single gun i've ever used. it made ALL the other guns worthless.

now i understand the value of a nerf. to bring an OP gun back in line with the rest of the troops.