DLC end of July still realistic?

[SaDiablo]

Please keep all posts constructive to the topic, and inviting to other members. Thank you.

[Anarchos]

Haven't they said officially that most of the PC content is actually ready, it's just waiting for anal console companies to push the content out on that end too?

[ten4]

There is no way DLC will make it by end of this month or even the next.

[dominad]

I left Defiance because I will not support games by Trion.
They are inept and lie to their customers if you are thinking of buying this game or any paid content do not waste your money!!!!

If they did that they could be held in breach of contract or false advertising for those who already bought the season pass. So no I doubt that.

Did a lawyer actually write their legal agreement even as a casual reader the flaws and gaps in the legal "documents" and agreements are rather strange. I got curious about digital media or licences that are granted but unusable for one reason or another. It led to some interesting links. Including looking at the itunes digital license agreements for one.

"Unless otherwise required by law or permitted by this Agreement, downloaded products, account keys purchased to activate or unlock downloaded software (including any Game(s) and/or Game Client(s)), and Virtual Items are not refundable or redeemable for any sum of money or monetary value from Trion at any time."

All of the legal agreement's make it clear that your in game purchaes are non refundable. Then they also state that:

Terms and Conditions: Redeemable for five (5) Defiance™ DLC Packs for the PC version of the game. All DLC packs will be activated and applied to your Trion Worlds Account as they are made available during 2013 and 2014. Digital item will be activated and applied to your Trion Worlds Account upon your first login after the commercial release of the game. REDEMPTION AND GAMEPLAY REQUIRE: (1) INTERNET CONNECTION (SOLD SEPARATELY), (2) A TRION WORLDS ACCOUNT, (3) A VALID COPY OF THE DEFIANCE GAME, AND (4) ACCEPTANCE OF GAME LICENSE, TRION WORLDS’ TERMS OF USE AND PRIVACY POLICY. Pricing and release dates may vary by territory and platform. No refunds or exchanges allowed, non-transferable, not for resale, and not redeemable for cash (except if required by law). Risk of loss and title pass to purchaser upon purchase. Season Pass provided “AS IS,” without any warranty, representation or guarantee, express or implied, to the fullest extent allowed by law. Void where prohibited."

This statement clearly shows the exchange of monetary funds for the purchases of digital media. Hence the void where prohibited and the as is. I would assume from this a good lawyer could make a case on this. The simpler way EA customers dealt with it was to see charge backs on their card for a service / licence not received and when they took offense to this; Amazon and other retailers who sold the non working digital media refunded their customers.

It is certainly very vague and shonky. I would have no issue asking my bank to reverse charges on any internet product that was not delivered and leave the company to prove that the money is still owed to them. The burden of proof it seem is on them, when you enter into a charge back you begin a dispute which must be cleared. Very interesting as if you live in a country that has laws on digital media and licensing as the statement says the Terms and Conditions may not be valid.

In the end if you live somewhere where it is or do not want the hassle or do not care you are promised content before:

All DLC packs will be activated and applied to your Trion Worlds Account as they are made available during 2013 and 2014.

which may be interpreted as you can apply for a refund at the end of 2014. As then the product would not have been delivered. Till then not much one can do. Must they deliver each item of the dlc as described hmmmm Since th purchase page does not give any description as to the content. Theoretically a file saved to the computer or console titled dlc 1 - 5 would count as the dlc :P As long as you got your hell bug hat..

Devils advocate. Honestly though if you are bored have a good read of the legal agreements on the site and tell me if you would hire that law firm lol

[Sanguinesun]

Haven't they said officially that most of the PC content is actually ready, it's just waiting for anal console companies to push the content out on that end too?

According to the live stream from twitch on friday, they've alot yet to do and were talking on the possibility that when they get the PTR running weeks from now(so its a hint of the dlc not being any time soon) that they'd put the dlc up maybe for a while to test there.

[dominad]

According to the live stream from twitch on friday, they've alot yet to do and were talking on the possibility that when they get the PTR running weeks from now(so its a hint of the dlc not being any time soon) that they'd put the dlc up maybe for a while to test there.

No and I believe someone posted the Microsoft information that stated they did not require anything from game devs to release patches now. That is all innuendo and you will note there is no record of Trion stating they are not releasing the PC version because a console or console companies are delaying it. They will not say it because they would not be truthful.
I think many of us console users here have said if the PC version is ready get it out so someone can play it! Test it for ut. I know people who wait a couple of months on one console or another due to exclusive deals but in the end they are all happy when they get to play it.

It states in the TOU they have until the end of 2014 to release it. Their choice.

[Sanguinesun]

No and I believe someone posted the Microsoft information that stated they did not require anything from game devs to release patches now.

Yes... Matt(sledgehammer70) states that in the coming weeks they will get a PTR running and, no promises, get the DLC on the ptr for a short time so that they can get direct feedback and so that it can be "as perfect as it can be at launch".

http://www.twitch.tv/trionworlds/b/429606980

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[Samhael]

The episode replay and the contest for season 2 are running until July 31st. The Dev that was on the season finale said they will be running it til the 31st and then the DLC comes out. So...the answer by the devs themselves seems to point to early August for the DLC release. At least that's what he said on the finale of Across the Badlands.

July 31st is a Wednesday and content patches in on a Tuesday.

[dude26212]

July 31st is a Wednesday and content patches in on a Tuesday.

well unless they have the replay content on a timer they have to do something to deactivate so i guess it would make sense for them to throw in the dlc while they are there (on the 30th)

[thejx4]

Comic-con and Gamescom are both coming up. They have to show something. Maybe even announce the next DLC.