Just remember! It's Trion Worlds!

[Viryu]

Maybe the PC version will get often updates, but remember PS and Xbox demand 40k$ per patch, that's 80k$ for both consoles just to release one patch.

[Archangel]

His heart was in the right place (^-^)b

[6Strummer]

Same, no prestart gets me crazy.

That being said, its worth a shot to try to hang on to potential profits for trion to develop and expand community than to drive misinformed people away.

Oh believe me I'm a regular ambassador of gaming. I spread the word about any game I think is cool, probably to the point of being irritating. I've definitely been talking this game up for months, emailing info and videos to friends. I've joked many times that I should be on the payroll of several companies for pimping their products. And you're right, it's best to be patient and try to spread the word and correct misinformation in a relaxed way rather than being confrontational.

[mcwjimbo]

Maybe the PC version will get often updates, but remember PS and Xbox demand 40k$ per patch, that's 80k$ for both consoles just to release one patch.

^ not something to do with this adventure which is a 1st for xbox and PS since they aren't hosting squat on any servers. The servers are all on trion's end and pretty sure trion would have told both that MMOs are a whole different kettle of fish than what they are used to so there will be updates and patches constantly and it was all negotiated into the final contracts

Do not worry, all such will be handled by trion on trion servers with xbox and ps just being middle men

This isn't Trion's 1st rodeo so CALM DOWN!

[Shismar]

This isn't Trion's 1st rodeo so CALM DOWN!

With consoles it is. They did also state somewhere that those patches do cost them money and that it takes a long time to get them through the release process at MS and Sony. Which supposedly was the reason for only one console beta as opposed to three for PC.

The last PC beta is pretty close to what we will see at release. Loot, btw., will pretty much be the same. Of course the rest of the map will be available.

So yeah, you pretty much played a demo. A good one I think. I'll be there on the 2nd.

[Xaeos]

I am not afraid of Trion. What I AM afraid of, is SyFy. This is the company that a few years ago changed their image to get away from "unwashed nerds in their basements" and added ghost hunting, WWE wrestling, and other such shows. They backed such horrors as "Stargate Universe" which was constructed as a soap-opera on a drifting spaceship (in a huge deviation from the series' other properties, which led to overall panning and swift cancellation) in chasing the lucrative "Average Adult Female" viewerbase, ignoring actual female fans of science fiction in the hopes of bringing over the "Gray's Anatomy" set that was also watching "Lost".

I'm really, really hoping that there is a long-term plan for Defiance (the game) and that it won't be left to die on the vine if SyFy doesn't like the kind of response they're getting, for instance. I also hope that quality and depth are emphasized - when I've seen some posts that significantly narrowed the scope of the game etc... I am worried that SyFy isn't really interested in creating a kind of gameworld in which players wish to spend their time (compare to even Star Trek Online, Star Wars: The Old Republic, Guild Wars 2, World of Warcraft and others), compared to shooter-action game with thin MMO trappings that is meant to tie-in with the launch and run of the new TV series, reach certain quotas, and move on.

I know Trion is capable of crafting a compelling gameworld and they've done a great job with RIFT, but when they're partnered with a major media company that has made some really questionable "This should result in quick money now" decisions in the past to the detriment of quality, that worries me more than anything.

Edit: Console release also is a big worry. As mentioned previously, X360 for instance charges for patches and such and have been known to pitch a huge fit if a PC version released in parity has more content, better/faster patches and generally rises beyond the walls the console much adhere to. I don't want to see consoles dragging down the experience.

[JagerMyk]

im just tired of jerk offs loping the devs and trions heads off for a couple bugs and hiccups, saying "this game is going to fail" or "i canceled my order" when they played about an hour at most, maybe 4. It really pisses me off that people are so picky about video games when they clearly have no idea how much work it takes to even bring you the content that has already been brought. hating on a product that has extreme potential....just trolls everywhere. EVERYWHERE. if you have a serious problem with this game, go back to black ops 2 or world of wackass. don't bother coming here and flaming trion, we dont want your negativity here. there's a reason why the esrb rating is Mature. I'm so TIRED of idiots trying to nit-pick about things they simply don't understand!

Standing O my friend, I would love to have the trolls see this, well at least the trolls from WoW. I am new to the console online world so when I found a science fiction based mmo I got pumped up, an now I want Defiance for my ps3 an my pc... lol, thinking I will wait for my preorder for ps3 then see.
+*played SWOR, STOL, an Unreal Tournament

[Viryu]

^ not something to do with this adventure which is a 1st for xbox and PS since they aren't hosting squat on any servers. The servers are all on trion's end and pretty sure trion would have told both that MMOs are a whole different kettle of fish than what they are used to so there will be updates and patches constantly and it was all negotiated into the final contracts

Do not worry, all such will be handled by trion on trion servers with xbox and ps just being middle men

This isn't Trion's 1st rodeo so CALM DOWN!

They may have their own servers on which we'd play, but remember patches are downloaded into consoles, and that DOES require to go through the patching procedure with Sony and Microsoft. So yes, do worry.

[The Oncoming Storm]

Mass effect 3 was able to patch itself constantly since it's played on EA servers,
I remember that game got patch's like crazy but it only received like 3 xbox updates...
So there are are ways around the "update fee".

[TheOz]

Maybe the PC version will get often updates, but remember PS and Xbox demand 40k$ per patch, that's 80k$ for both consoles just to release one patch.

True, but . . . I don't know if that will be the case. I have been paying attention to the devs during the streams and they talk about pushing content to their servers. Since we are playing on Trion servers they can modify and change anything on their servers whenever they want without paying M$ or Sony and it will effect us all. PSN & XBL are only used to facilitate the connection to the game servers.

This is my understanding of how MMOs work. Defiance would be the first that I will play so I am hardly an expert here.