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    Quote Originally Posted by JagerMyk View Post
    I was actually 3987 when they did that stupid crap, was one of the goals for me to push for through all the crap we've been dealing with an going through. I still think they took the shotty/Rocket Launcher nerf too far, I personally would of done that to the infectors an bmgs but not to that extent. But thats just me, an Denis Leary has a great song about us all... an it starts out like "I'm an A......, well you may know the rest.

    nerfing a r/l in PvP to a extent is accessible. but nerfing in PvE is plain stupid.
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    its a shame they deleted my "you really gotta stop listening to me. im an idiot" meme from their facebook page. it suited the dev team oh so well lmao. keep blocking those whom catch you on you're sh*t, and watch you're fan base crumble.... keep trion, trion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pooch83 View Post
    nerfing a r/l in PvP to a extent is accessible. but nerfing in PvE is plain stupid.
    They really, REALLY need to seperate values of weapons, shields, grenades and just about everything else and balance them for PVP and PVE seperately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JxSiN View Post
    But I agree with the nerfs being stupid. I remember a day when the berserker shotgun was more useful than just ark salvage. I remember having cars not made from paper mache. I am not jumping on the "don't nerf the saw" bandwagon yet, because I do not know exactly what the nerf is going to be. If it is a small drop in damage like 5%, then it kind of does bring the SAW back in line with some other weapons. But the issue with LMGs is not the SAW, it is that the other LMGs suck. Even compared to other weapons. They suck. I wouldn't hit a pow in the read with a disruptor. If they want to balance LMGs and are intent on nerfing the saw, they need to buff the others as well. Also, anything over a small decrease to damage to the saw will make it just as useful as the other LMGs are right now
    im not gonna jump into your first statement. you have made a few great points, and i could to. but your second statement is what i can begin to agree, see, understand and talk about with you. IMO when they "nerf" weapons. they really need to separate the two, from PvE to PvP. on their live stream (please dont quote me anyone, just given example) they said they would lower the damage, increase the recoil an something else. now out of the LMG class, the Saw is rightfully king. has anyone really shot this weapons vs a AR??. its a truly bada** gun, and it should be in the game as well. they really need to buff the other LMG's. theres one that i actually liked, medium mag, quick reload, but extremely low, low damage. thats truly sad. what they should do with the lower/weaker LMG is maybe, increase the damage slightly, increase there rolls more, add a few other things that would switch people back to them. in my mind a LMG is not in the same class as a AR period, but thats just my opinion. there are many of things they can do for the other "lacking" guns, instead of nerf'ing the saw, and i am a true fan of it. i only use the saw an sniper. at least until the charge blade finally gets its a** here lol.
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    its a shame they deleted my "you really gotta stop listening to me. im an idiot" meme from their facebook page. it suited the dev team oh so well lmao. keep blocking those whom catch you on you're sh*t, and watch you're fan base crumble.... keep trion, trion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satsuki View Post
    They really, REALLY need to seperate values of weapons, shields, grenades and just about everything else and balance them for PVP and PVE seperately.
    100% agree with you.
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    its a shame they deleted my "you really gotta stop listening to me. im an idiot" meme from their facebook page. it suited the dev team oh so well lmao. keep blocking those whom catch you on you're sh*t, and watch you're fan base crumble.... keep trion, trion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satsuki View Post
    They really, REALLY need to seperate values of weapons, shields, grenades and just about everything else and balance them for PVP and PVE seperately.
    Can you imagine the bugs that would introduce...*shudders* they can't even fix existing bugs without making new ones and oft times, their bug fixes don't even work first go; so imagine what adding in a pve & pvp set of weapon values into the game would do. It'd break the entire game...lol

    Not that i am cynical or anything and i personally couldn't give a stuff about pvp based on all the com plaints i read about queue time, imbalance and outright hacking/cheating - that's not to say pvp complaints aren't perfectly justified and should if necessary be acted on. It just means i personally couldn't give a stuff about pvp.
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    I have a small favour to ask of you Trion.
    The day before you release the first DLC, could just say, on this forum, that it was delayed for a month, then obviously release it the following day.

    This would be much appreciated and would make my day. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pooch83 View Post
    im not gonna jump into your first statement. you have made a few great points, and i could to. but your second statement is what i can begin to agree, see, understand and talk about with you. IMO when they "nerf" weapons. they really need to separate the two, from PvE to PvP. on their live stream (please dont quote me anyone, just given example) they said they would lower the damage, increase the recoil an something else. now out of the LMG class, the Saw is rightfully king. has anyone really shot this weapons vs a AR??. its a truly bada** gun, and it should be in the game as well. they really need to buff the other LMG's. theres one that i actually liked, medium mag, quick reload, but extremely low, low damage. thats truly sad. what they should do with the lower/weaker LMG is maybe, increase the damage slightly, increase there rolls more, add a few other things that would switch people back to them. in my mind a LMG is not in the same class as a AR period, but thats just my opinion. there are many of things they can do for the other "lacking" guns, instead of nerf'ing the saw, and i am a true fan of it. i only use the saw an sniper. at least until the charge blade finally gets its a** here lol.
    My only discontent with lowering perk slot unlocks is that the only thing higher ego players had to look forward to was that unlock. If we had something else, then this wouldn't be an issue for me. As far as separating pve and pvp, I agree. DCUO did a great job of doing that, unfortunately it came at a cost of having to buy pve AND pvp gear. I, for one, do not use a saw but even agree that if they over-nerf it, it just ruins another great gun in the game. Anything more than a 10% drop (and even that is extreme) would ruin the gun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hardy83 View Post
    I have a small favour to ask of you Trion.
    The day before you release the first DLC, could just say, on this forum, that it was delayed for a month, then obviously release it the following day.

    This would be much appreciated and would make my day. Thanks.
    Nope, not even as a joke. There are even plenty of people here in the office that would tar and feather us for that one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RedAvocado View Post
    Nope, not even as a joke. There are even plenty of people here in the office that would tar and feather us for that one.
    where were those people months ago??
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    its a shame they deleted my "you really gotta stop listening to me. im an idiot" meme from their facebook page. it suited the dev team oh so well lmao. keep blocking those whom catch you on you're sh*t, and watch you're fan base crumble.... keep trion, trion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T_Archangel View Post
    I agree w JxSin... gonna give Red the benefit of the doubt. Would love to see this game we enjoy pick back up and do well
    He seems very cool, but in my world respect is EARNED, not given... especially after what has transpired thus far. I think I'll keep my 'customer' status and let you handle the 'fan' status. He even asked as much:

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    At the end of the day we ask nothing more than for you to form your opinions by watching our actions.
    I'll wait and see what happens down the line, but I won't judge him either way, since he's earned neither my admiration nor my contempt. .

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