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    Quote Originally Posted by MagellanD View Post
    You have valid points. However it's not the community's fault. It's human nature. We suck as a species.
    You know who else's fault it is?
    The Developers for breaking things with each new patch.
    Also the CMs who said the game was in Certification. You know Microsofts ****ty process that none of the other big names make users go through? So yeah I also Blame Microsoft.

    All this negativity causes us to lash out.
    You wanna know something. Patches do break things in every game that is patched. Because they are no substitute for the initial programming. A game dev for another game stated that bug fixes often break more than they fix so devs just often decide that some things won't get patched.

    And you know who's really to blame for all of this? We are. We get angry when games are not released "on time" because we think we know how long it should take for games to be ready. And we don't get mad about games made by the other big companies that set the timetables and that release their games too early when they should be in beta testing at best.

    I've participated in private beta testing (not for this game) and I can tell you that ALL games are released before they're ready. I know that things complained about in beta don't get fixed and end up in the consumer version. I also know that it's the big name companies that set the trend for all of this. And their games should be darn near perfect by now, especially when they're basically releasing the same freaking game with a new look, year after year.

    But we don't hold their feet to the fire. Someone on here said "but people do complain in their forums, too". So what? Does anyone actually think that any company is going to change its business model because of some complaints they can chalk up to a vocal minority? In fact, they don't. Big name devs said in an article (from interviews) that the forums basically mean nothing because we still buy their games. We buy them by the millions. They only care when we stop giving them money.

    I've used CoD games as an example. Black Ops 2 was a pile of crap. The multiplayer when the game was released was not playable for a lot of the people that got the game. It wasn't due to busy servers which is always the claim made by the devs and some "fans". The game also caused consoles to freeze, had this wonderful hidden feature of resetting all progress at times, and was plagued by lag and created lag-CoD games all have this lag used to help even out bad and good connection speeds. And matches would fail sometimes 4 or more times, so the match would reset. And that's not even talking about just how bland some of the maps were and how idiotic the MP audio (voice over) and quality was. But despite all the complaints and there were and still are, and all the rage quitting (every match I played featured numerous people rage quitting-more than any CoD game I've ever played), people are already excited for the next CoD.

    If we are ever to change how things are done in gaming then we need to stop buying broken games but that includes and has to really start especially with the big companies like EA, Bethesda, Activision (IW and Treyarch), and the rest. But we won't. They'll sell millions on release day and because we basically like some of the game (I love Bethesda games but they're all terribly bugged), we'll never do anything to fix this situation. Too few of us ever do anything to try and get games fixed. Trion as a smaller company can't afford us to walk away so they try to fix things. The big companies can afford to lose those players that walk away, so they write it off on their taxes but they sell millions of copies of their games and WE STILL BUY broken games.


    The problem also is that some people want everyone to be as unhappy as they are. I tend to think this is their life's problem and not about any one game. They say they hate this game, don't play it, and think others should drop it too (they want it to fail). So they continually post crap. Well if there's nothing worth being here for-they hate the game, don't want or care if it's gets patches to fix it or DLC-why are they still here? Just to be nasty is all.

    That is in contrast with people who want the game to be better, get patches, and want the DLC. The people having problems with the game need to be heard and need help. The people that want the DLC now and wish it had been released with the game or before the game was released are like those who demand games get released before they're ready. And that brings us back to the original problem. Us. People get just as mad at devs for "delaying" game release dates as they do over the DLC. We're a bunch of spoiled brats used to getting things now. Not when they're ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indra Echo View Post
    The problem also is that some people want everyone to be as unhappy as they are. I tend to think this is their life's problem and not about any one game. They say they hate this game, don't play it, and think others should drop it too (they want it to fail). So they continually post crap. Well if there's nothing worth being here for-they hate the game, don't want or care if it's gets patches to fix it or DLC-why are they still here? Just to be nasty is all.

    That is in contrast with people who want the game to be better, get patches, and want the DLC. The people having problems with the game need to be heard and need help. The people that want the DLC now and wish it had been released with the game or before the game was released are like those who demand games get released before they're ready. And that brings us back to the original problem. Us. People get just as mad at devs for "delaying" game release dates as they do over the DLC. We're a bunch of spoiled brats used to getting things now. Not when they're ready.
    Quoted for truth.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Indra Echo View Post
    The problem also is that some people want everyone to be as unhappy as they are.
    Now this i've noticed in a hell of a lot of game forums.

    Every time someone dislikes a game they have to post about it and want everyone else to feel the same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitroz76 View Post
    "Right after the 2nd major patch"
    "Later"
    "We delayed it until the end of July"
    "We further delayed it until sometime in August."
    I'm sorry, they never said "right after" 1.020. Those are all fitments of the players imagination. People assumed because the sieges were being put in dlc one would follow.

    "We are aiming for the end of july" isn't concrete either, nor is it condemning them to release in July. Finally, Defiance's new executive producer saying "it will be sometime in August" isn't saying we're delaying it again. It's saying "our timetable was a bit generous at E3,its gonna be a wee bit longer"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Indra Echo View Post
    We're a bunch of spoiled brats used to getting things now. Not when they're ready.
    I'm going to sig this when I get on my pc next
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    Quote Originally Posted by ItISLupus View Post
    I'm sorry, they never said "right after" 1.020. Those are all fitments of the players imagination. People assumed because the sieges were being put in dlc one would follow.

    "We are aiming for the end of july" isn't concrete either, nor is it condemning them to release in July. Finally, Defiance's new executive producer saying "it will be sometime in August" isn't saying we're delaying it again. It's saying "our timetable was a bit generous at E3,its gonna be a wee bit longer"
    I will say this again since you people can't get it through your heads.

    They specifically said that there would be a shiny new dlc after the 2nd content patch. (didn't happen)
    They went on to say in two separate blog posts that it was delayed for bug fixes.
    Then at E3 it was slated for late July.
    Then it was informed that we were waiting on console certification.
    Now it's "August" and again waiting for console certification.
    These are facts, the only "fitments" of someone's imagination are your own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Indra Echo View Post
    The problem also is that some people want everyone to be as unhappy as they are. I tend to think this is their life's problem and not about any one game. They say they hate this game, don't play it, and think others should drop it too (they want it to fail). So they continually post crap. Well if there's nothing worth being here for-they hate the game, don't want or care if it's gets patches to fix it or DLC-why are they still here? Just to be nasty is all.

    That is in contrast with people who want the game to be better, get patches, and want the DLC. The people having problems with the game need to be heard and need help. The people that want the DLC now and wish it had been released with the game or before the game was released are like those who demand games get released before they're ready. And that brings us back to the original problem. Us. People get just as mad at devs for "delaying" game release dates as they do over the DLC. We're a bunch of spoiled brats used to getting things now. Not when they're ready.
    This. All of this. It's been that way for a long time in many, many game forums and it's been steadily on the increase. The worse part about it as well, when/if Trion bring the DLC1 one and they manage to pull the god of all DLCs and it fixes everything/adds all the content etc, those that left will be the first ones back saying things like "I knew you could do it Trion! Never lost faith in you!"

    I hate that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch View Post
    I will say this again since you people can't get it through your heads.

    They specifically said that there would be a shiny new dlc after the 2nd content patch. (didn't happen)
    They went on to say in two separate blog posts that it was delayed for bug fixes.
    Then at E3 it was slated for late July.
    Then it was informed that we were waiting on console certification.
    Now it's "August" and again waiting for console certification.
    These are facts, the only "fitments" of someone's imagination are your own.
    "I also told you the other day that I was working on my omnipotence so what we also did to keep better focus on Live issues is that we moved the kick-off that was supposed to be tomorrow Monday for the next DLC, back a week" First mention of DLC in blog posts. This was them delaying start of work to address live issues. can be found here

    "I did move our DLCs back to focus on addressing Live issues and that‘s still the case. That doesn‘t mean we stop planning and revisiting our goals. Nor that we shouldn‘t give you insight into them." There's the second one you were referencing. I didn't remember this one. So I'll give it to you. Here's that link

    As for "after the second content patch" The only mention of DLC and 1.020 i could find was "As proof of us striving towards being better we have another major update coming, known as the TV Tie-in or Patch 1.020, and it’s coming out this month. It has further bug fixes, improvements, as well as new TV Tie-ins – one of which will utilize a new open world game mode called Sieges. Details are obviously slim, but it’s a crossover event so that should give you an indication of what this game mode entails in future DLCs. " Found here

    We all know about Mr. Richardson giving us a date of "End of July" what I want to know is where you got "waiting on console certification" on both accounts of "End of July" and (I read the latest blog post)"August"?

    If this latest blog post said anything, it was that(and this is my pure speculation)we should expect the DLC when the next major client patch happens 1.030.

    And while I'm at it Figments*** Fixed for you. I'm sorry that I didn't proofread my post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Arsenic_Touch View Post
    I will say this again since you people can't get it through your heads.

    They specifically said that there would be a shiny new dlc after the 2nd content patch. (didn't happen)
    They went on to say in two separate blog posts that it was delayed for bug fixes.
    Then at E3 it was slated for late July.
    Then it was informed that we were waiting on console certification.
    Now it's "August" and again waiting for console certification.
    These are facts, the only "fitments" of someone's imagination are your own.
    The quote is "You will see shiny new DLC."

    The next one is "We will kick off DLC."

    There is a reason people in this industry use a standardized language, so I have two questions.

    Since when is seeing: having?

    Since when is a Kick off: a release?

    They were talking about the advertising schedule as their actions have proven. It was never intended to be a promise of a release or they would have not only said it was a release but would have included the same advertising videos that we're seeing now. Give me a quote with some meat to it like an internal calendar and maybe I'll start to believe you. Right now I just wish you would stop with this already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nitroz76 View Post
    "Right after the 2nd major patch"
    "Later"
    "We delayed it until the end of July"
    "We further delayed it until sometime in August."
    can we just bring back the soooooooon meme?
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