basically since reviews etc with devs they have promised not to have pay 2 win and more or less said what there will be and what there will not be. If htey shoudl suddenly add p2w elements to the cash shop... i have the right to ask my money back for the game.
Games these days don't last very long when they require you to buy the game/subscription. Look at how many great games goes F2P within 4+ months, that's usually when cash shop start to lean on the p2win side. I am having my hopes this game doesn't go F2P anytime soon, but from past experience...i know that's not going to happen.
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What great games are you referring to?
Many of the recent MMO's that tried buy/subscribe and then went F2P have no-one to blame but themselves. If you look at Trion they released Rift on a $30 million budget and still maintain a subscription service. If you look at SWtOR with their $200 million budget they failed to deliver anything that makes a great MMO other than a nice single player story - I mean Star Wars done on rail shooters? The Secret World which promised so much and should have been the next big thing did everything to emulate its predecessor Age of Conan in shoddy buggy and delayed release.
TSW was actually very good quality at launch. but the funcom brand is toxic becuase of aoc. case and point: your belief that it emulated aoc's launch state in any shape form or function.
TSW sold 350k boxes at launch and retained 200k subs. the problem is not that the game was poor quality, but that the dungeon gear grind endgame is stale even to those that keep demanding it, and it simply doesn't support a sub for the vast majority of mmo gamers.
i recomend TSW to people, but not as a mmo, but rather as a online only coop rpg to play with a few friends the same as they might've played nwn1 or nwn2 online coop years ago.
also another obvious problem with tsw is the combat is much like rift's, overly spammy and dull. thing that is going for rift though is thanks to certain dev names on teh box, alot of eq players moved to rift and thought it was the bee's knees because they hadn't played anything "new" during the last 8 years of the wow clone/traditonal mmo era.
as well with rift apparently storm legion sales did pretty poorly even among active rift players, but also failed at attracting new and returning players back into the game. faced with an expansion that is sold as being slower to progress and a few things that were being offered by other mmo's (such as 3rd faction/rvr area/go to place and do things quests) it failed to differentiate it self from it's compeititors. not to mention a number of things trion did over the year of rift post launch dev that pretty much discouraged players from coming back to the game if they had left before those changes took place, such as itemization changes and the tacked on AA.
anyways TSW was in a pretty solid state come release. the puzzles were sometimes wonky but rarely actually bugged. it just had to do with them not being instanced to a group, so other people could "grief" you buy not being patient. or otherwise people doing wrong answers and thinkign the quest is bugged rather than realizing they hadn't figured out the solution.
Not that it really matters, but i think the store is pretty well balanced. Last time i saw it you get everything that is already in game (other than cosmetics and slight boosts) but at a cash price convenience. the boosts arent completely outrageous and do make sense, especially for a person like me. I work 10-12 hours a day for 4-6 days a week. i dont have the time that other players have to power up my character. to be honest its mostly a Co-op game and the PvP thats included is at a level where the perks only help you so much. a good player can out do a person of lower skill even without the perks. just my 2 cents though