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    F2P requires a micro transactions or extra membership benefits subscription model or both in order to have a revenue stream that justifies keeping the game in Trion's stable.

    As it currently stands, dropping the 10 dollar current fee for the game and then going f2p makes little difference because their DLC gives most of the features of the game for free that would actually be revenue worthy were they to have charged for it.

    Worse yet the Bits Store's design and marketing is counter intuitive too. They give exp boosts that go off real time hours instead of /played hours that if there is significant down time, people either give up or go through CS hoops to get refunds/credits(causing more labor resource waste btw). Lockboxes with no transparent information(that can be trusted) on results and is essentially not random but with an algorithm that amounts to gambling(and were authorities more net saavy in many regions would pop accordingly). And vehicles and costumes that either have similar counterparts in game that are just as easy to get(though there are some differences). Basically Trion's marketing team painted themselves into a corner with all that.

    So most players have no need or interest to use the store nor necessarily get the DLC. Therefore, Trion's shot themselves in the foot with regards to potential revenue. Its a complete mess.

    Now, since the San Diego office is to be closed, with the less than 50 Defiance staff after the 150 original(70% gone from the last layoff) being further culled, and with speculation that Rift developers will be shifted to work on it(though they may not.... and if Trion was smart from a business standpoint, they'd not), things are not rosy in the least.

    Trion could consider some of the following options but as time goes on, some of those options begin to decrease.

    Scenario 1:

    1. With the transition to HQ of Defiance control, hire more team members to fill lost slots but not many.
    2. Refund or credit(with rift or something else) the DLC season's pass and offer the DLC's as they come out at a specific set price. Additionally, give no vague or semi firm release dates for future dlc's. Just simply say, when we decide to do a DLC and its ready, we'll announce such then. Otherwise, no information will be given otherwise.
    3. Once the DLC's have been released, no further additions will be given to the game and the game placed into autopilot to either later be mothballed or some feasible renewable development.

    Scenario 2:

    1. Shift the game into autopilot mode with few working on it.
    2. Have those few be working to convert the game to a player hosted server/mod-able version with no future official dlc's. Any features that were in the process of being delivered would be implemented during this time as part of the package with Seasons pass people being refunded or rift credited.
    3. As well alter the game to be more like a skyrim solo playable game in such regard for those who dont wish to host.
    3. Once released in this converted capacity let it maintain its 10 dollar base package costs but including up to the digital deluxe bonuses to help incentivize purchases.
    4. After all that, devote no further resources to the game except official forum monitoring.


    Scenario 3:

    1. Declare the IP and situation unsalvagable. Time to do this is critical because with Scott coming back this is the only time where this could be much less toxic than to wait longer and longer to do so. It can be all part of Scott's cleaning house PR. It would restore confidence yes in some Trion supporters though obviously it would alienate fans of Defiance to various degrees.

    2. Give a 30 days notice to shut down of the servers. Refund the Seasons pass holders or credit them with other games like rift ArchAge(if they still will go forward with it) etc otherwise.

    3. Lock and Close the forums. Archive them for x number of months, then purge them.

    4. Take what little remaining salvagable resources that were formerly devoted to Defiance and further absorb them into Trion.


    Scenario 4:

    1. Come out swinging with a renewed commitment to turn around the Defiance IP.
    2. Declare another delay to the DLC(s) but speak to hiring more people for the new spaces for Defiance at HQ.
    3. Give transparent, consistent, meaningful information on the progress of the game, its issues, and more to mitigate number 2.
    4. Any future release dates for content should be stuck to as close as possible and only announced to be coming when it is for all and intent and purpose done.
    5. Have the business model as such for the game that the mainly desired features for future content are part of the reasons to buy future dlc style content packages. Have the ingame bits store better incentivize buying for convenience or for aesthetic reasons and in such a manner that encourages repeat/retention of business.
    6. Market all such things more consistently, and more importantly, in a timely fashion across all the "trans media" interactions Trion has.
    7. Reopen full customer service options for Defiance(ie live chat as it used to be.

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    Unfortunately, I think almost everyone can guess which of the 4 scenarios is least likely to ever occur, though it would be the one that Defiance fans would hope for the most. I think it is safe to say that one of the 3 other options or a variation of them is what we most likely face moving forward.

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    I really hope it doesn't go f2p.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanguinesun View Post
    Unfortunately, I think almost everyone can guess with of the 4 scenarios is least likely to ever occur though it would be the one that Defiance fans would hope for the most. I think it is safe to say that one of the 3 other options or a variation of them is what we most likely face moving forward.
    I can see number 2 working but the 3rd is more likely to happen in some regard.

    I think most people know i'm not a doom and gloom kinda guy but, as we talked about last night, Defiance as a long term project just isn't viable on the PC platform at least.

    There are far better games out there in the shooter market and it's a genre that is over saturated. If Defiance was to close it's PC servers it would not take long for fans to find another game to satisfy their gun play, be it online or single player. I can't speak for consoles because I don't use them.

    To turn this game around would take far more than I think Trion will be willing to do. The dlc, even 5 dlc, is not enough to sustain a player base for a year until season 2. They need far more content than a few missions, new race and a few reskins .... a LOT more content, more than double what they have now.

    It released with the bare minimum. The area is tiny and the content in it can be chewed through in a matter of hours. Even pacing yourself it can be done in a week which, for an online game, isn't good enough. Especially when that online game has no "endgame" so to speak. People can only do so many Arkfalls before it becomes repetitive and die hard PvP'ers will only repeat the same maps for so long.

    The bits store is laughable at best. The outfits are similar to ones you get ingame with a few minor differences. Expecting people to buy lockboxes is a joke.

    As i've said time and again, I enjoy Defiance for what it is. It's an average shooter with issues. It won't be the game I devote my gaming time to on a prolonged basis unless they do turn it around but with so many people "removed" from the Defiance team I don't hold out much hope in that.

    Even if they did pull folk from Rift to work on this, can they salvage it?

    As I said above, small dlc will not sustain a playerbase. To keep revenue coming in they need to improve the bits store massively and keep people playing for longer than a few hours here and there.

    Potential was mentioned a lot last night. Defiance had a ton of it. Without doing a "realm reborn" turn around, I can't see this game having a lasting future in an incredibly competitive shooter market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gomly View Post

    I think most people know i'm not a doom and gloom kinda guy but, as we talked about last night, Defiance as a long term project just isn't viable on the PC platform at least.
    The thing is that the PC platform isnt a hinderance nor as strong a resource distribution issue as the 2 other platforms. More costs are actually involved with the other platforms by all indications.

    Additionally their hopes for a test server revolve around the use of the pc platform. All this means to me is that PC doesnt have to be nor should be excluded from any scenario they hope to go with concerning the game that would not involve similar with the other platforms. Yes there is certainly more of a captive audience with regards to the consoles but it is a fleeting one and once the up and very soon coming shooters on those platforms release, the situation of those platforms for defiance could actually reverse to a point of being worse than the numbers of users on the PC.

    Also at stake is their laurel of being the a game across all those platforms if they were to cull any one of them. That would also speak just as loudly as a misstep, if not worse in some regards.

    But with regards to the dlc and the mt store, indeed, they're going to have to drastically revamp the model of considerations.... and Im just not sure it will be enough either.


    Quote Originally Posted by teccho View Post
    I really hope it doesn't go f2p.
    I think it going f2p in the general sense isnt the true issue of worry. Its that they've no viable revenue stream in the game's current state were they to go f2p without drastic changes to their content release and marketing models.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woodlouse View Post
    I paid full price for DCUO and thought it as a slap in the face for it to become F2P.
    Likewise... but I still play it relatively often, so I guess I'm just a glutton for punishment. :shrug:

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    What are you talking about? It IS F2P...

    Quote Originally Posted by anastasia View Post
    Time like this when I wish I had a legendary shield to deflect the venom I can just feel about to head my way, but this is just my 2 cents...

    been here since beta
    paid full price
    paid for DLC
    have purchased credits
    I love the game

    Do I wish things had gone better? yes
    Do I like the way things seem to be headed? no
    Do I love the F2P model? no

    Bottom line is I love the game and I want it to survive, so just do it, just make the jump to F2P, give me some kind of consideration for having been here and for what I've paid in the form of bonus credits or whatever.

    This is no longer about standing on principal or believing in unicorns (apparently the only real one is stuffed and in my arms when I sleep at night). I'm not mad, there's no point in anger - oh sure anger makes sense but it's unproductive.

    So just do it, save the game, make it thrive, just reward those of us who were here and waited patiently or impatiently or whatever.

    Flame away if you must but I'm just speaking from the heart. My confidence is crumbling and I just want the game to stick around, if that's worthy of flames, have at it.

    What exactly do you think F2P is?! Do you pay a monthly bill to play? No, you dont. Thats called F2P. how long you been living under that rock? Wow lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reichlyn View Post
    What exactly do you think F2P is?! Do you pay a monthly bill to play? No, you dont. Thats called F2P. how long you been living under that rock? Wow lol
    F2P is free game and no monthly cost.

    B2P is pay for the came and no monthly cost.

    This game is B2P NOT F2P .... there is a difference.

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    Syfy may have a say on any decision that Trion makes about Defiance's future. I think option 3 will not happen at least until they recoup their investment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gomly View Post
    F2P is free game and no monthly cost.

    B2P is pay for the came and no monthly cost.

    This game is B2P NOT F2P .... there is a difference.
    I guess ive always considered F2P as no monthly cost. Im fairly sure there has been past mmorpg's that went F2P but you still had to buy the game. Hmmm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yewa View Post
    Syfy may have a say on any decision that Trion makes about Defiance's future. I think option 3 will not happen yet.
    Not just SyFy, but NBC Universal which is a massive company worth almost 17 billion dollars.

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