Do you agree with my opinion on where Trion went wrong with this game.

[Sanguinesun]

Its very easy but bringing it to consoles. yes they got tons of sales, but I feel like if it was pc only we would have had the dlc by now, also Trion would not have to worry about making everything work all the same across platforms, Im sorry the 360 and ps3 are showing its a age and if this mmo has to stay with the power of consoles for it's lifespan I can't see this game having a long life.

If it was PC only we would get faster fixes, faster dlc, Better effects, better interfaces, better chat etc.

so who agrees?

Sorry but the reality is that the consoles are being used as just the latest misdirect with regards to company wide(notice not studio) mismanagement of the project. This recent business of it simply being consoles delaying things is bunk, especially when you go back and look their first declaration of the DLC to go at the week after launch and being delayed to simply fix issues that went live (that they were warned to not let slide into launch by us alpha testers).

[Gomly]

Uh huh pc this and pc that, guess what your PC is rendered obsolete garbage within a month or 2 while you get a much longer lifespan from a console than you do a top of the line computer which as I said earlier is rendered pretty obsolete by standards fairly quickly.

And our lowly PC's have already rendered your next gen consoles obsolete in terms of performance.

[Notturno]

Uh huh pc this and pc that, guess what your PC is rendered obsolete garbage within a month or 2 while you get a much longer lifespan from a console than you do a top of the line computer which as I said earlier is rendered pretty obsolete by standards fairly quickly.

Hi, I think you have a gross misunderstanding of hardware in relation to gaming. While I am not an expert in the field, your understanding of hardware standards are misleading other users with sweeping statements like you're posting.

The fact of the matter is that consoles all have the same base hardware. They are all manufactured using the same hardware components people use for PCs; obviously they have custom configurations, but the hardware is essentially similar. The reality is that once a console hardware configuration is solidified and manufactured, it is already outdated. This does not mean it is a bad thing, but this is the reality of console gaming.

Now, when it comes to console gaming, all consoles are on even footing in terms of performance. The beauty of this is that developers know exactly what hardware every console player is running on, so the games are developed with this in mind. The developers know the limitations of the hardware when developing their games for these consoles, so they know what limitations they have to adhere to. This means console players will never have to worry about their hardware being up to snuff when it comes to running games; if it's released for your console then you will be able to play it. This is the benefit of a closed system.

For PC gaming, you have to understand that developers are making games for a huge variety of hardware setups. There are infinite combinations of different hardware, so you are never going to know what people are running your game on. This is why PC gamers like to see a variety of video options available, so we can tweak our performance to fit our machine. The downside is we do have to worry about updating every year to two years. The duration depends on the hardware you are running. However, generally speaking you can purchase a higher-end, pre-built machine for $900 or less and it will comfortably last for two years before you have to worry about upgrades. You can probably spend less and worry about just GPU upgrade purchase every year or two.

There are benefits and drawbacks to both systems, it more depends on what you fancy as a gamer. I personally feel console peripherals (controllers, thumbsticks, motion controls) are incredibly unresponsive and poorly formed for gaming. I prefer using my mouse and keyboard peripherals. I also have a preference for an open system, where I am not beholden to some corporation for their operational policies. For example, many Xbox 360 users will be losing their digital library of Xbox Arcade games when the Xbox One comes out. With a platform like Steam (or just any regular digital purchase), I can run my game for my entire lifetime without having to worry about platform limitations (other than maybe compatibility in 10 or 20 years).

Based purely on hardware though, you see significant new hardware releases every three months. A top of the line PC as of this moment, will be more powerful than an Xbox One or PlayStation 4. They will be able to get more out of a game than those consoles, but the consoles have an optimized experience.

A PC is not rendered obsolete in a span of a couple months. It will no longer be "top of the line" after three months or so, yes. However, this does not hamper performance in the slightest. As I mentioned earlier, you can use the same PC for a year or so and run everything at the highest graphical settings without problems.

[MacDeath]

Its very easy but bringing it to consoles. yes they got tons of sales, but I feel like if it was pc only we would have had the dlc by now, also Trion would not have to worry about making everything work all the same across platforms, Im sorry the 360 and ps3 are showing its a age and if this mmo has to stay with the power of consoles for it's lifespan I can't see this game having a long life.

If it was PC only we would get faster fixes, faster dlc, Better effects, better interfaces, better chat etc.

so who agrees?

Well of course it would have been much easier for Trion to develop for ANY one platform rather than three at one time. And, if that one platform was PC, they wouldn't have to do the certification thing with an outside partner. HOWEVER, it would have appealed to a MUCH smaller market segment and PROBABLY not be allowed based on the partnership with SyFy. I'm pretty sure SyFy wanted the larger market potential from the three platforms.

Trion management probably wanted to go for that larger market too. They probably didn't realize how difficult it would be to juggle three builds AND tie in with a TV show at the same time. Well, it's VERY difficult but... if they can pull it off, it can be quite profitable.

[Gomly]

I'm just going to chime in as a spokes person for the Master Race.

If Defiance had been PC only it would not have done well at all.

The PC player base for this game is a lot smaller than on consoles and this kind of shooter is more of a niche title than most. Even if they had devoted all resources to making it a PC game, Defiance the TV show didn't have the following needed to keep it afloat on the PC alone.

While the show is okay, not everyone who watches it would be a PC gamer .... in fact there are people who watch it that aren't gamers at all. I have some family and friends that watched the show but don't game in any way, general rule of the internet ... you are never the only one ... so it stands to reason there are more similar people out there.

The shooter market on the PC is over saturated. Even if the world was bigger in this game and had far more missions (which it should have had either way, the game is tiny) it still wouldn't do it better than a lot of the shooters already available for free (Tribes Ascend, Planetside 2 and the like) which, although are quite different, they do gunplay and entertainment far better.

Defiance is far too niche to survive on one platform alone.

[MacDeath]

I'm just going to chime in as a spokes person for the Master Race.

If Defiance had been PC only it would not have done well at all.

The PC player base for this game is a lot smaller than on consoles and this kind of shooter is more of a niche title than most. Even if they had devoted all resources to making it a PC game, Defiance the TV show didn't have the following needed to keep it afloat on the PC alone.

While the show is okay, not everyone who watches it would be a PC gamer .... in fact there are people who watch it that aren't gamers at all. I have some family and friends that watched the show but don't game in any way, general rule of the internet ... you are never the only one ... so it stands to reason there are more similar people out there.

The shooter market on the PC is over saturated. Even if the world was bigger in this game and had far more missions (which it should have had either way, the game is tiny) it still wouldn't do it better than a lot of the shooters already available for free (Tribes Ascend, Planetside 2 and the like) which, although are quite different, they do gunplay and entertainment far better.

Defiance is far too niche to survive on one platform alone.

I absolutely agree. Hmm, that feels strange to agree with Gomly on ANY topic.

Trion didn't WANT to make Defiance YET ANOTHER PC MMO. They already had one, Rift. IMO, a BIG part of the reason Trion backed Rift (a PC MMORPG), Defiance (tri platform shooter - MMO lite), and End of Nations (RTS / MOBA) was to show off the Trion Platform in these different environments. I think Trion's core plan is to be a publisher and platform host for games that will be developed elsewhere, such as ArcheAge by XL Games (Jake Song). To demonstrate the value of the Trion Platform, they wanted a varity of game types to show the platform versatility. That ment they HAD to develop some demo games in-house. Rift and Defiance were those demo games.

[NOTE] The above is complete speculation on my part. I have never had a conversation with Lars Butler or anyone else at Trion about this. I'm looking at what the invested in and speculating as to why. There IS some info out there that would support my thoughts. See more on Trion's Red Door initive here: http://www.trionworlds.com/en/news/m...or-initiative/

Trion's vision for the future of connected gaming gained them an ADDITIONAL round of funding of $85 Million in 2012. See more here: http://www.trionworlds.com/en/news/p...wth-financing/

[marshy]

GTA V will be coming to PC and they are looking at bringing Destiny over as well.

Next?

Nope GTA V and destiny have not been confirmed for PC, PC have been crying for them but its not looking likely you will get them

[Atticus Batman]

Nope GTA V and destiny have not been confirmed for PC, PC have been crying for them but its not looking likely you will get them

Afraid Marshy is right, although current gen consoles get it!http://www.gamespot.com/destiny/

[Gomly]

Nope GTA V and destiny have not been confirmed for PC, PC have been crying for them but its not looking likely you will get them

We shall see.

But i'm telling you now, before this year is out we'll either have GTA V on PC or it will have been announced.

Destiny, they want to include PC so I wouldn't count on them not releasing it here.

[Gomly]

I absolutely agree. Hmm, that feels strange to agree with Gomly on ANY topic.

Thanks....

I think.