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    Quote Originally Posted by sonor View Post
    So you pretty much have it on all platforms except the Mac and I know the Mac is capable as I play games on it all the time. I am disappointed to see it not on the list of platforms and think it's not fair to us who choose not to use windows. I don't have a PS3 or an XBOX so that means I can't enjoy the full amazing idea of this show and game. I hope you guys reconsider and put out a Mac version.
    you don't need a mac version lol..run boot camp, it comes with your machine~ problem solved

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    what about them lol JK
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    MacDeath: it's their choice what platform they develop for. My argument simply states that any software company that plans to develop for platforms and operating systems that statistically are showing dramatic market incline will ensure sustained and future success of their product.

    Intense, Legende, Psychometrics & other Boot Camp advocates: While you are correct, you fail to factor in HD resources required to run windows plus the game software upon that. For stable operation it's generally recommended no less than 80GB, but 120GB gives you a bit more room to breathe, particularly those who aren't comfortable optimizing Windows tendency towards outrageous physical memory usage. While iMac users generally will have little to worry about allocating this amount of space, traditional notebook machines will be outfit with no greater than a 750 GB spinning HD at 5400rpm. However, the majority MacBook units (Pro and Air) released within the past year are sporting SSD drives, starting at 64GB and have capacities ranging up to 500GB. Those using the larger drives purchased that unit for a purpose, and it's generally design and/or video production software (which take a phenomenal amount of disk space). The mere thought of devoting 100 GB of drive space to a bloated operating system in order to run a single video game is preposterous and again, shows a lack of consideration to this market by the developer. For the record, the average SSD user is sporting a 128 or 256 drive. Senseless to dedicate as much as 80GB to drives that size, let alone 120.

    So, while Bootcamp is a solution, it just isn't going to work for everybody.

    That said, why give any software company that doesn't consider your preferences any money? They sure haven't earned it, have they? Besides, there are a growing number of titles designed specifically for OSX, either dedicated development or using Cider Ports that are getting really decent now (Guild Wars 2 did an amazing port job IMHO). Give those companies your entertainment money because they're putting the effort in to consider you as a consumer with choice... Just move on, and leave titles like this to the shrinking Windows entertainment market. Maybe this game should have stuck to console only... /shrug.

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    One of our clan mates plays stuff on a Mac exclusively due to needing the thing for work, that being said he has never had issues running stuff in boot camp, even brand new titles. Granted his new Mac is maybe 3 months old and works rather well.

    I have both Mac and PC though I do not game on the Mac it is a work computer.

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    Shrinking windows market.. get off the Mac soap box. If you choose not to use your computer the way it can be, no one is going to feel sorry for you kid, sorry. If you think your sob story is going to deter windows players to think "hey they aren't supporting Mac, that isn't right, I'm not going to play", think you're delusional.

    Basically, use bootcamp or don't, we don't care one way or the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Portabella View Post
    MacDeath: it's their choice what platform they develop for. My argument simply states that any software company that plans to develop for platforms and operating systems that statistically are showing dramatic market incline will ensure sustained and future success of their product.

    Intense, Legende, Psychometrics & other Boot Camp advocates: While you are correct, you fail to factor in HD resources required to run windows plus the game software upon that. For stable operation it's generally recommended no less than 80GB, but 120GB gives you a bit more room to breathe, particularly those who aren't comfortable optimizing Windows tendency towards outrageous physical memory usage. While iMac users generally will have little to worry about allocating this amount of space, traditional notebook machines will be outfit with no greater than a 750 GB spinning HD at 5400rpm. However, the majority MacBook units (Pro and Air) released within the past year are sporting SSD drives, starting at 64GB and have capacities ranging up to 500GB. Those using the larger drives purchased that unit for a purpose, and it's generally design and/or video production software (which take a phenomenal amount of disk space). The mere thought of devoting 100 GB of drive space to a bloated operating system in order to run a single video game is preposterous and again, shows a lack of consideration to this market by the developer.

    That said, why give any software company that doesn't consider your preferences any money? They sure haven't earned it, have they? Besides, there are a growing number of titles designed specifically for OSX, either dedicated development or using Cider Ports that are getting really decent now (Guild Wars 2 did an amazing port job IMHO). Give those companies your entertainment money because they're putting the effort in to consider you as a consumer with choice... Just move on, and leave titles like this to the shrinking Windows entertainment market. Maybe this game should have stuck to console only... /shrug.

    You could go on like that for days, but it doesn't matter. You are more than capable of running boot camp to fix the problem. You willingly chose a mac that isn't a gaming machine first, rather very much last. Not to mention if you bought a mac in past few years, whether its a desktop or a laptop, you can run most things on high no problem. No room on computer? Make room. My bf has both PC, and Mac (multiple) from a few years back and he runs a lot of the latest games no problem on all high settings.

    There is no point even making a debate on this lol Mac doesn't cater to the gamers. They aren't particularly interested at all or they'd have made adjustments a long time ago. If I want a PS3 game, I'll buy a PS3. I'm not going to complain I can't play a PS3 exclusive on my PC or w.e it is xP That's life, and you know the fix- so there's no point talking about it. If its a huge deal to you that you have to go out of your way to play video games, buy a PC or start a petition to Apple how you'd like to see more gaming capabilities on their products.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legende View Post
    Shrinking windows market.. get off the Mac soap box. If you choose not to use your computer the way it can be, no one is going to feel sorry for you kid, sorry. If you think your sob story is going to deter windows players to think "hey they aren't supporting Mac, that isn't right, I'm not going to play", think you're delusional.

    Basically, use bootcamp or don't, we don't care one way or the other.
    I certainly seem to have gotten your attention... I so love agressive Mac haters. Obviously, you do care (or you wouldn't have bothered to post).

    So tell me, why do you so hate growing the accessibility of software to include platforms other than Windows?

    For the record, I could care less if I could buy this game. As stated before, I have many other options to choose from. I just love putting in my 2 cents every time a software company fails to acknowledge market trends

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    Quote Originally Posted by Portabella View Post
    I certainly seem to have gotten your attention... I so love agressive Mac haters. Obviously, you do care (or you wouldn't have bothered to post).

    So tell me, why do you so hate growing the accessibility of software to include platforms other than Windows?

    For the record, I could care less if I could buy this game. As stated before, I have many other options to choose from. I just love putting in my 2 cents every time a software company fails to acknowledge market trends
    He never said he hated it lol he only expressed his disbelief. It may be true the figures are going down, but the fact remains Mac is not meant to be a gaming machine. It provides boot camp so you can choose to use it for games, but it wasn't designed for games. It's not hating on macs, its simply telling you; you have the tools. Choose to use it or not, it'll only be affecting you and no one else.

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    As gaming on Linux picks up steam (ha!) they most likely will port the title to Mac or offer Mac support in some way. However due to architecture and design it's faster and cheaper to develop for PC, Xbox, and PS3 and then work on a Mac port, than to include it from the get go. Simple business, and just cause a Company doesn't choose to support a particular platform at launch doesn't mean they are ignoring it, just that for one reason or another it doesn't make sense to go in that direction yet.

    As far as gaming on a Mac while they are not 'bleeding edge' gaming rigs there is very little a Mac of the last few generations cannot run with appropriate support, ie. VMware, Parallels, or Boot Camp. I run the Alpha client on a four year old Mac Book Pro with a 120 GB Windows 7 boot camp partition without any issues. My iMac runs it flawlessly on my beautiful 27" display on a 200 GB Windows 7 boot camp partition. So if a Mac user wants to play it they can, kinda like getting the best of both worlds.

    I won't get into the cost argument or the which is better argument those are pointless, it's like arguing cars with people sure you can quantify which one goes faster than the other but the things that may make one type of car more important than another to you may not mean anything to the other person. It's called preference and we are all free to exercise it, but no one's specific preference is better than anyone else.

    I however am still opting for Xbox as I love the controller and love the log and go play style. As for why some Mac users get grumpy about boot camp, it's mostly to do with the purchase of a Windows license or the need to obtain such a license that gets folks in a tizzy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Psychometrics View Post
    He never said he hated it lol he only expressed his disbelief. It may be true the figures are going down, but the fact remains Mac is not meant to be a gaming machine. It provides boot camp so you can choose to use it for games, but it wasn't designed for games. It's not hating on macs, its simply telling you; you have the tools. Choose to use it or not, it'll only be affecting you and no one else.
    If you had have read my earlier posts, you would have learned that Bootcamp is a situational option for Mac users, but not all. I'll go ahead and explain this one more time.

    This is largely due to the fact that a partitioned installation of Windows plus game install would require more HD space than many current models will have available. After all, one does purchase a Mac because they want to use applications that come with a Mac, plus their other software (Work and Entertainment). Not everyone uses an iMac, and it's no mystery that laptops are far more popular than desktops these days. Apple has been using SSD technology in their Airs for years, and are in the process of phasing out rotary drives entirely in their MacBook line. This means smaller internal storage drives in capacities of 64GB, 128GB, 256GB and 500GB. Larger drives are emerging into the market, but they are still at very high price points. Even the 500GB varieties are about a $1 a GB.

    I've used Bootcamp with great success in the past, but I can honestly say that the "average" Mac user is not using a machine quite like mine. I've performed a number of after-market upgrades that most people would find unnecessary. But I'm talking about the average person here, not me, and I can't with any degree of honesty say that this is a viable option for a good percentage of people who have bought a MacBook within the past year, unless they opted for the Non-Retina Pros. For the record, all of these machines, including the Air line, would meet the minimum system requirements for this game had it been developed for the OSX platform.

    The integration of SSD technology is not an "Apple Only" thing. Most notebook manufacturers are turning to this technology in order to make notebooks thinner with better performance, more lightweight, and improved reliability (SSDs tend to have a longer lifespan than rotary drives under proper conditions -- no moving parts).

    Lastly, to call any computer a "Gaming Only" machine is ridiculous. It's all about the hardware inside the machine. The same hardware that they put in "Gaming Branded" machines is the same stuff they stick inside HPs, Dells, Lenovos, Alienware, and yes, even Macs! The proper term would be called "Intel Based" machine. Provided the hardware in your machine meets the minimum system requirements, other than the developer not supporting the OS platform, there is no reason why a machine could not support it.

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