Just want to take a moment as a casual gamer to say a few things. (SP Owner)

[Indra Echo]

I agree pretty much but not with the "screw you all" statement. People do have a right and it's in the game's best interest for complaints to be heard. But that means people really do have to choose their battles and be responsible and constructive.

As far as the Raptor what would really have helped would have been Trion understanding people believed it would have a turret and had some expectations for it that had some foundation. There should have been some better communication over it. I like it better than a Cerberus-it looks really cool when there are 4 people in it and FUN. And games are meant to be fun. But people will continually refer to what they say is Trion lying to them about a turret. I knew it wouldn't be released with a turret when everyone was thinking that it would be, and others also thought a turret would be a mistake. Trion probably realized this too. And no it shouldn't be a super fast vehicle. A 4 person vehicle should be sluggish compared to a Duni.

The thing here is that often many extraneous things are blown out of proportion-real things that need to be handled deserve the attention. People on consoles are used to playing a lot of games that are cookie cutter copies of the same game made by the same company year after year (I'm talking about me here too). Those games have bugs, sometimes just as bad as this one, but people see the bugs in this and they are far angrier with it.

This game has and still does have issues, but that's to be expected. Expected and not accepted necessarily. It's a far more complicated game than people realize. That doesn't help those with real problems with it.

But I've personally not had the issues that others have had, so the game has overall been great for me. Flawless, no. But I don't expect that and if something is a problem I know it's not always the game (for me) that's at fault. Most things for me, I think are tied to lag and lag is the result of many things-my connection and connection speed, consoles themselves, and how many people are playing and what they're doing in the game, in my phase. Changing phases often helps.

As for the OP, I too have gotten way more than my money's worth. I've played other games with 5 hour campaigns topped off with mindless MP, that is anything but fun. They are rage-fests.

I've played really long games with main stories and side stories that sometimes are fatally bugged, so I have to repeat hours of play in order to finish a quest. And every game I've played has featured grinding and some mechanics I liked and didn't like. I've maybe put $200 into this game with the base game, DLC, and buying some things. I've put the same amount in other games and gotten far less for it and still not always had as much fun as I have had in this one. For those dealing with delays and other bad things, this isn't your experience, but it is mine. I know you'll have some choice names saved up for me, hatred that's really necessary over a video game.

Bottom line for me with any game these days is, is it fun and can I play it and enjoy it, and did I get my money's worth? I have to answer yes for all those things for this game. I'm sorry for others that are not having the same experience but then they're always free to plop down $150 for the collector's edition of the next best game to come out-a game they'll never finish, and then imagine they got their money's worth out of it. I say this because statistics show that on average as few as around 10% and as high as 40% of gamers finish the games they start to play. In some, it's because of game bugs that make it impossible to complete them.

This means that a lot of players are not getting even the value developers intend for them to get out of a game. Developers have these statistics and now can easily compile them in game if they require some sort of online check in for you to even play the offline game (think EA)-they get your data and then create games geared toward chopping off extraneous stuff, because only a few people will ever play it. Probably why Mass Effect 3's ending had the issues it had. EA/Bioware expected people to never actually play to the end.

Here's an article on game completion times and percentage of players that actually finish games.

http://www.gamefront.com/why-dont-gamers-finish-games/

[BJWyler]

Hell, I loved SWG back in the day.

See, now you had to ruin a perfectly good thread by throwing that in here. Everybody under the sun knows that SWG was a piece of ... oh wait, I thought I was in the SWTOR forums for a minute.

Never mind, carry on as you were.

[Calysia]

Thanks Eelisa and Indra for two well thought out posts. Nice to see some sunshine here in the forums that are so often dark and stormy!!

[Ellye Nyira]

I am with you both! love the game and can't wait to see
what comes next!

Count me in too! I feel the same way OP, I've loved the game from day one, and I'm really enjoying what I got from the DLC and can't wait for more

[NomadPhx]

the raptor turret could be misinterpreted on both ours and trions end. saying it was never supposed to have a turret could mean it wasn't but they wanted something badazz added but couldn't make it actually happen, we all know everything looks better on paper lmao

hearing it wasnt suppose to have one then seeing the crosshairs and "hot seat" pretty much came across as you get what we give you, it was never getting one i dont know what your talking about.

though things like this seem to have significance either now or for a future update. i can clearly see why they nerfed the SAW for the small amount of volge at the sieges. the 1.5 second cooldown for nano effects were for the new charge weapons that increase nano rate. just because its not practical to us doesn't mean is not for a reason, but most other nerfs seem to be pvp based and i know nothing of the pvp world except blur and melee perks + sword = anime deatmatch samurai lol

[CRIXDA]

I will go on record as one of the " Got My $$$ Worth " crowd, too.
I have been playing Defiance since release day and I haven't gotten tired of it, the DLC has given me some fun and new things to run around and do. Even though I have beaten up Nim 3 times and I try to walk everywhere so that I feel more immersed in Paradise, I still love the game and look forward to playing it because it is fun and it takes my mind off of everyday garbo for a while. So I appreciate what Trion has done with Defiance.
I hope that We get more cool stuff to do and some more map areas to do it in, that will be epic.
I love this thread, nice job Op.

[lokiscamaro]

i've spent 7 years playing one MMO, there have been many others along the way, but there has always been one that keeps me coming back.
I found the fledgling Project Entropia (now Entropia Universe) waay back in 2005. i love the game, right from the start it was cool. not many games have been that cool, Defiance is that cool.
in 6 months ive seen more communication from the devs here than we've ever seen in Entropia. you guys can complain all you want about the game and the devs and everything you think is wrong. it seems at least someone is listening, the DLC is good. thanks. i've waited 5 YEARS to be able to use my pets that i bought with real money in Entropia, STILL dont have them back.Trion may not be perfect, but they are better than many. now go kill some shtacko.