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    Some Reasons for Lag and what might help

    This is in regards to consoles-I have both the xbox and ps3 versions.

    I downloaded the patch for the xbox sometime ago, but just got around to doing so for the ps3 and here's an observation. I had Firefox and my email program running while downloading as well as another computer connected via wifi to my rounter. My PS3 is connected via wifi too. Just shutting down the email program doubled my download speed.

    So consider these things when playing the game.

    Things that contribute to lag:
    A slow connection (duh, obviously right).
    The use of a wifi connection. Wired is better.
    Other devices using your connection-you only have so much bandwidth.
    Devices we all sometimes forget are connected to our wifi--smart phones, tablets, laptops, ereaders, and even our TVs.
    Also, desktop PCs lately tend to have wifi built in themselves so they may be using the wifi too, but even if not when they are on and online, they are using up precious bandwidth.
    And on the PC, if you have an internet browser running, it may be constantly accessing ads or other things that do download something to you and use that connection.
    Your PC may also have apps that are running that may be polling the internet from time to time and may cause a drop in the connection speed for your console.
    Tablets and smartphones may also be updating things and often do so only when connected to wifi.


    Timeouts can occur when these things happen-say you do have an email program running or a browser or an app. Each of these things may be automatically and routinely accessing the internet, using your bandwidth. So when they do this your connection speed may slow way down temporarily. Enough to kick you from the game, but not enough to totally dump you offline.

    Getting into phase with specific people or going into groups and joining friends. Online games rely on matchmaking-they try to assess connections and put together random people who have similar ones so as to reduce the possibility of lag. Joining friends overrides the best choices matchmaking would like to make. It happens in other games as well-lag is almost always worse when you join a friend's game.

    Busy times. Hard to avoid. And we all play when it's convenient for us to play. But those times may not be the best times. Some of our internet connections will slow way down when others in our area that have the same service are all using it at the same time. You can test this and see if it's true for you by trying out a time that might be less busy in your area. It's counter-intuitive but sometimes you can have less lag with someone halfway around the world than you can with a friend down the street.


    In game things that cause lag:
    Vehicles-the more vehicles and the bigger the vehicle, the more the lag. Test this yourself with your clan or get together a group of friends. ATVs cause the least lag. The Titan causes the most. The Raptor with 4 people in it causes a lot of lag.

    BMGs-lag and more lag and even more lag. The more BMGs going off at once, the worse the lag. At best if this lag hits you, you end up with a blue aura that won't go away. At worst, you lag out, but you can have medium effects where there's a BMG stream that follows you everywhere and/or you cannot do anything at an event. You can't switch weapons or shoot or things happen very slowly. People hover in mid-air and at times you can shoot and then you can't. You can't get ammo. And the arkfall never seems to end-wait 20 minutes after it is over and others say it is, and then it may end for you too.

    Detonators and other explosive weapons-these cause sometimes instant high lag that can instantly lag you out. As with anything, the more of these the worse the lag.

    Volge LMG-not as severe but similar to the BMG.


    All of these things have a tendency to lag out people who are not using them-they can lag out the user, but often they will lag out a whole lot of people who are not using them. The Raptor is an exception because it can often lag out passengers.

    Busy phases. It might help to log out and log back in to see if you can get into a different phase that's not as busy and might be less laggy.


    There are other things, of course. Lag is inherent in online gaming and in larger persistent worlds. A solution might well have been to segment the world into smaller bits but that would have meant we'd continually hit loading screens. Also, a lot of dynamic things going on at once cause it as well-plants, clouds, all kinds of moving parts. Great to look at but far more complex than a static environment.

    Lag is such a big part of what's wrong and causes the timeouts-I've really tried to look at some of the causes of it with an eye to maybe helping others to minimize it (can't remove it) in their games.

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    Why don't you just go apply for a job at Trion already?
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    When I am on the NA server I can not play I have delays of 45 seconds or more. However I go and play on the EU server and Defiance runs smooth as silk. The problems right now are 100% Trion.

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    Ah... the good old days of online gaming...
    When you could just blame client-side lag issues on "pr0n"...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dramaQkarri View Post
    Why don't you just go apply for a job at Trion already?
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    Very helpful. I never said lag didn't come from other things as well. I could be just as immature and ask what game company you work for that is a competitor of Trion's-but I believe you are just somone unhappy with the game. And I am just someone who is generally happier with the game. I'm seriously trying to help some people minimize the lag they're experiencing on consoles, especially the xbox where I've noticed it's worse. I've listed things I've noticed in the game, and from over 30 years of gaming. You can wallow in bad lag or try to reduce it or go enjoy a laggy game made by some other company-your choice.

    And for the poster who has no problems on the EU servers-again, I said sometimes lag can be due to odd things and it can be easier to play with less lag with people halfway across the globe than those right next door. The EU servers have never been as busy as the NA ones. I played PS3 NA last night and had less lag. The PS3 servers have never been as busy as the xbox ones. Xbox NA sold more games than the other platforms and it's likely there is more lag due to more people playing.

    I've also played other games that were online and owned EU and NA copies and in those games, there were times when the EU servers would be laggy and other times when the NA ones were. In one game where the servers were global, I'd often have random matches made with Japanese players with no lag at all, but if I played with someone closer to home, we both had bad lag.

    Also, then if it's all Trion's fault, the lag I experience when playing other games is their devs' fault as well and never due to our connections--then, I will let them know I want my money back, they are the worst companies making the worst games, they should be sued, and all that too. Lag is always partly caused by our connections. Some of it is due to our hardware, the consoles as well.

    I never said it wasn't also partly due or couldn't be fixed by some things Trion could do. In fact, one of the things I think they might do is look into how 3d models have been created. The cars, for one thing. If I walk through a car, I can see the interior of the car. That might be totally extraneous. The cars probably cause more lag in part due to this. It likely exists in order for people to be able to ride in the car, but maybe they could reduce the detail within the vehicles. The Monolith-it could have been created with fewer moving parts. That thing that pops out at the end of each stage might have been more static-and doesn't need to flop around.

    The EGO boost-the cores next to them don't really need to have so many different jagged surfaces (nor does any core)-they all might actually be less complex and even look better if they were merely more simple geometric shapes. And there's no real reason for 4 EGO boosts by each core.

    The debris walls at arkfalls could be less complex as well - the ones at the Dark Matter arkfalls really look like bad wallpaper. Colorful, but all the different color creates more complexity and more lag.

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    The other things that really affects consoles are dust and heat. If you sit down and play any game for long periods of time, heat will build up because the cases on consoles (and the internal fans) don't dissipate the heat very well.

    Consoles also have a lot of heat sensitive things in very close proximity - like a laptop and you should know laptops get very hot. Companies make and sell all kinds of things to help reduce laptop heat. Heat affects memory and memory handling-poor memory handling causes lag. Heat also affects processors and processing speed.

    If you are experiencing a lot of lag-consider just where your console is located, how hot your house is, and look at the dust on it. Feel it and see how hot it is.

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    don't see how people are lagging on pc because i can live stream and not lag at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by mic soul View Post
    don't see how people are lagging on pc because i can live stream and not lag at all
    The only lag i get is in the Arenas.. cant killed the stupid Golden Skiltterling with it lag hopping across the map.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mic soul View Post
    don't see how people are lagging on pc because i can live stream and not lag at all
    Yeah, I don't know what lag is like on the PC-I've only played on PS3 and xbox. Xbox has way more lag at times than the PS3, but it's more noticeable in some phases than in others and way more noticeable if I'm in a phase with friends. Even if I am not in the same location as my friends, I am more likely to have lag or time out if my friends and I are in the same phase--when I've joined their phase, joined a friend.

    I just do know that I've played Mass Effect 1-3 on all 3 platforms and I experienced graphics errors, slow rendering, frame rate drops, and all of that in SP mode on the consoles that was not present on the PC. And in MP mode for ME3, I experienced sometimes crippling lag on both consoles that was never present on the PC. I also experienced (never got fixed) problems between the PS3 version's in game store and the PSN store. I'd either get kicked from the group I was in or have to quit the game and restart because I'd be stuck in the store. And it was never easy to join friend in the PS3's version. Sometimes, I'd wait for long times and just never get into the group.

    I never had these issues on the PC, even when Fraps was running in the background.

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    It's a shame that the owners of the consoles have to limit yourself in something to avoid lags. On the other hand ... The main reason for the lags on the console - it's console itself.

    Whatever it was, it's quite useful article for the owners of consoles.
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