DLC2/Future of Defiance....A reason to level!

[RealHoosier07]

I'm a big fan of this game and have been from day one. I have been a supporter and have played a ton. I'm just really starting to figure out that after level 1600, there is no reason to level. ZERO. The ego points to unlock perks and upgrade perks isn't a big deal at all, because most of the one's you need will be unlocked by 2000.

The only thing that will save this game, listen closely Devs, is if they start fixing and adding things that this game REALLY needs. This game needs content that is unlocked as you level up. This gives players a reason to level, which keeps a players interest at a maximum because they are always working to unlock something new.

I like the Arkfalls and Sieges, but I feel a little ripped off that I waited 5 months for ONE new Arkfall and ONE new event(Sieges). That is NOT content. Those things are fun to do for a week or two, but then you burn yourself out because those 2 things WERE THE ONLY CONTENT YOU WERE GIVEN in the DLC. That's pathetic when you think about it. This isn't just some game like Call of Duty where you can get away with a mappack that adds a couple new maps. This is an MMO! MMO's require lots of leveling, with new content and new type of weapons ALWAYS unlocking as you level.

We should be leveling up to unlock those 4 or 5 new co-ops that you get for hitting a certain level. New co-ops should unlock every 300 levels or so. This would give every player that has ever played this game a reason to keep playing. Trion, you are losing your playerbase because you don't see what you're doing wrong. I know several Defiance die hards that quit the game because, and I quote from several different people pretty much the exact same words, "I quit because I got tired of doing the same things I've been doing for a couple thousand levels and the only thing I ever get is keycodes to buy lockboxes, because that's the only reason to play and grind. Leveling means nothing. I don't even need new guns because I have great guns now, but buying guns and mods is the only reason to even play. There is absolute zero reason to level up. NO unlockables".

Those are all things I've heard different people say. I finally am in agreement with them after several months of playing this game. I'm already bored of the DLC because it's the only thing we got, so everyone burns up the Sieges and Arkfalls for a week or two, then realize it's the same old crap over and over, with no reward for leveling up.

Trion, I hope you guys realize what you're missing, because you don't have much time left to correct it. Tons of unlockable content for leveling up is what this game needs. Imagine how a player would feel if he were about to hit level 2000 and unlock 3 new co-ops, 1 new arkfall, 1 new siege, and 1 new type of pistol/shotgun/AR etc. Hell I would be so excited to unlock new content, I would be buying bits for bonus loot, xp, skill....all of that. I would play the **** out of this game if I had content unlocking all the way to 5000. We need new areas on the map that unlock as you level up. Quit trying to coddle the new players by accessing ALL OF THE CONTENT to every single player. Give people a reason to play, and they WILL PLAY!!

[WARDUKE]

5000 is pretty silly. 1000 or 2000 is where the lvling should have stopped.

[Evolution]

Levels here aren't the same as in other games. It is more like a representation of how much of the game you have completed. There are some great explanations about why it's 5k if you do a quick google for Defiance Ego levels.

You can't grind to 5k w/ just kills and XP. You'll need to complete all the pursuits, level all your weapons and vehicles to 20, and unlock and max out all your perks.

[Henyachingywhy]

I agree.

I honestly don't see why people rushed to get to 5000 so fast. I got the game day 1 and I'm about to get to 2000 EGO.

I'm starting to get back into DCUO because there is just a lot more variety of things to do. There leveling system is also a lot better IMO.

[Rasczak]

I'm at EGO 1200, and just don't care to go any further. Closest weapon I have to level 20 is SMG at level 16.

All Perk slots are unlocked, all 4 EGO powers are maxed, the Perks that I care to slot are maxed, and all Co-ops were open since EGO 500.

EGO 5000 is just ridiculous. I abhor the Rampages, Hotshots, and Races. That's side game busy work, like grinding out all the FEATS for 100+ Skill Points in DCUO. Didn't do it there, won't do it here.

Unless the Devs had wanted to create real content (Rampages, Hotshots, and Races are not adequate content), screw EGO 5000. I'd rather get castrated by two bricks.

[3rdpig]

I agree with pretty much everything you say except the part about them losing the player base and how they don't have long to fix it. My friend, you don't have a clue about their player base or how long they have to fix things.

I've heard these same dire predictions about every multiplayer game I've ever played, they usually start about a week after the game is released and you'll still hear it years later as the game is still being played. It was said about ME3 about a week after launch and now, a year and a half later after all support was dropped months ago, it's still going strong.

By all means tell Trion what you think needs to be fixed, but stop telling them things that just makes you look like you're talking out of a smelly, dark orifice.

[RealHoosier07]

Yes 5000 is ridiculous. But if they are going to have that, then they need to add unlockable content as we level up. The only thing we get for leveling up is high ego weapons that nobody can use, so you're trade market gets smaller and becomes non-existant. I'm only level 2700 and I have zero reason to keep leveling.

If leveling in this game is a representation of how much of the game you have accomplished, then that is the dumbest thing this dev team could ever have done. People want a reason to level and keep playing. Playing the same exact **** over and over and over and over....is just flat out boring as hell. I have a great clan I"m a part of and they are the only reason I'm still playing. We think of things to do to make it more fun....it says a crapload about the developers that we have to make up stuff because the content is so lacking.


Leveling in any game like this should mean always getting better, always unlocking new content(even hard modes for co-ops, arkfalls, sieges that a clan could instance into). I have 13 friends of mine that used to play this game and loved it....for awhile. 4 of those guys on xbox, and the other 9 on ps3. They have all quit because of the absence of any reason to keep leveling, and doing the same **** over and over. They were all disgusted with the DLC and quit between 1 week and 2 weeks after the DLC. Why? Because of 1 siege and 1 arkfall. I'm still trying to support this game but it's becoming hard. This will be the first game in my life that I loved, but the developers and creative team killed it. This game has so much potential, but the dev team doesn't seem to get what everybody is saying. We need CONTENT...lots and lots of content. Unlockable content.

Not to mention that I hope they are changing the looks of those new arkfalls, because those ships were absolutely cheap and dumb looking on the outside and the inside. I'm just starting to wonder if they are giving up on this game and just shoveling crap to us now.

Evolution, it doesnt matter if leveling in this game is dependent on how much you've accomplished. Nobody wants to do the same crap over and over just to get to 5000, especially when 5000 means absolutely NOTHING. Thats a whole different conversation. They can stick to that plan and STILL have unlockable content. The horrible lack of content is why it's dying as we speak. I'm noticing it's like a ghost town on ps3 since the DLC. People are done with being promised a Shelby Mustang, but then given a Ford Escort instead. If we would have had hard mode co-ops, a real co-operative horde mode, 3 new Sieges, 3 new Arfalls, this game would be booming right now, if they fix the servers too. lol

[Chump Norris]

I just wish I could get to 5000 with XP. I do agree there is no reason to level that high and it really does hurt trading since you can only get that high grinding pursuits.

[RealHoosier07]

I agree with pretty much everything you say except the part about them losing the player base and how they don't have long to fix it. My friend, you don't have a clue about their player base or how long they have to fix things.

I've heard these same dire predictions about every multiplayer game I've ever played, they usually start about a week after the game is released and you'll still hear it years later as the game is still being played. It was said about ME3 about a week after launch and now, a year and a half later after all support was dropped months ago, it's still going strong.

By all means tell Trion what you think needs to be fixed, but stop telling them things that just makes you look like you're talking out of a smelly, dark orifice.

LOL..all you have to do is look around the game world. I remember the days, months ago when I would be at an emergency with 4 other people every day, just random people...and now it's like a ghost town in most places. On PS3 at least, there's usually mostly clan mates at arkfalls, with a few purple dots running around.

Just 3 weeks ago, there were always tons, and I mean tons of people at arkfalls. There were so many people at arkfalls most times, it was hard to get a bullet into something before it died. Now there are very few dots on the hud compared to then.

How can you say I don't know **** about their player base when the game is now 10 dollars on the computer and I believe 20 for xbox and ps3....this is just months after launch!! That says a ****load about their playerbase. Are you not comprehending that bro? What's happening all around you is proof enough. I'm just one guy and I know tons of people that quit....and all of them have said they have friends that quit. The proof is in the pudding buddy. This game doesn't have much time left to have a big player base. The drop in price I'm sure has a little something to do with them not making as much money on bits anymore. I didn't say this game would go away completely, but there are lots of people still playing right now that are reaching the end of their ropes with this dev team and this game.

[mbergeron]

I just wish I could get to 5000 with XP. I do agree there is no reason to level that high and it really does hurt trading since you can only get that high grinding pursuits.

That was the worst part about getting to 5000 is that I was forced to grind out for the rest which became extremely tedious. I did find it weird that you stop gaining exp at certain point making any activity in the game pointless to finish.