We know the game, WHY WON'T ANYONE LISTEN TO US?

[JimmyRustler]

Let's try and troll a little less and give a bit more feedback.

I think the point is we have been giving feedback here in the forums since beta, and it has largely gone unheard. Pages and pages of intelligent comments from the players "in the trenches" and yes with a lot of BS in between *guilty* But it's there.

[Iceberg]

I think the point is we have been giving feedback here in the forums since beta, and it has largely gone unheard. Pages and pages of intelligent comments from the players "in the trenches" and yes with a lot of BS in between *guilty* But it's there.

Pretty much this. Now its just a wait and see type deal. Activity on the forums has slowed down tremendously from a couple months ago. At this point the only thing I want to see from the devs is getting a proper chat system in place, it is going on 6 months now and the game's chat system is still a joke.

If they can't handle something like that I have no hope for the rest of the game and its mechanics. Oh and before it is said, yes we did give lots of feedback about the chat system.

[StarBat]

More often than not, with high budget games, it's more about making investors happy than the developers.
Developers have to rush/change/butcher their vision to make it more in line with what a non-gamer thinks makes a successful game.

Quick Dirty Example
How many times was PVP added in a game just because the money man thought that's what makes a game successful?
At the 11th hour, time, money and other content are sacrificed for an unessential aspect of the game that feels tacked on, because it is.

The game is judged based on it's lackluster/busted/easily hacked PVP.
Ultimately you end up with poor reviews.

If PVP were never added, the resources were pumped into the single player campaign, the game would have been amazing.
Gamers understand what we like to play, Devs understand the art they're trying to create, money guys, only care about money, no matter how counter-intuitive their ideas may be.

Our priorities aren't as important as the people with real money on the line.

[Overtkill21]

I swear sometimes it seems they are actively trying to kill off their own game. Doing a good job at it too as far as I can tell. Ps3 servers are super dead lately even at prime times.

True test is the weekend - Diablo III is in full swing (Amazon is late with my copy dangit...) and I think a lot of us PS3 MMO noobs will be jumping into it.

[Nefarious]

Let's try and troll a little less and give a bit more feedback.

[Nefarious]

imo if the players got their way then we would all have orange items sent into our 'claim items' because some of us experience lag and think they should be compensated. Along with making enemies weaker because some of us die a lot. And if players really had their way of getting anything they wanted then we would all have unlimited shields and ways to stay invisible all the time in PvP.

What the players want isn't always right.

[StarBat]

imo if the players got their way then we would all have orange items sent into our 'claim items' because some of us experience lag and think they should be compensated. Along with making enemies weaker because some of us die a lot. And if players really had their way of getting anything they wanted then we would all have unlimited shields and ways to stay invisible all the time in PvP.

What the players want isn't always right.

Wait a minute.... I get it!

[Pandur]

I have a serious question for everyone.
We invest so many hours of our lives into this and other video games, We come onto forum sites on which We talk about the games that We play and how they can be or might be improved upon.
We get infuriated when no one seems to listen to what We have to say and yet We continue to pour our time and our lives into this endeavour.
Take....uh.....well, "Defiance", for example.
We spend hours playing the game, exploring everything. We try each and every weapon in every concievable combination, try all of the perk builds, get every vehicle, explore each and every inch of the maps that are available to us and then We break through the boundaries and go to places that We aren't meant to go. We travel on top of the Stratocarrier, We get on top of buildings in downtown San Francisco, We exploit every possible angle and every possible glitch to go everywhere and do EVERYTHING!
We come onto this forum site and then We tell each other about it all: how to do it, where to do it, what to combine, where to shoot the hulker, how to jump and cannonball and how to get an easy gold on the chicken hotshot or whatever.
I think that We know this game.
We know what We want,
We know what We need,
We know what We like.
Why won't anyone listen to US?
That is my question.

Because there is no US in any player base. Just a mixture of tons of contradicting opinions.

[Frozen]

The problem with any forum system is that although we are vocal, we are the vocal MINORITY. Look at any Forums for an MMO. Forum users, even the most active ones, rarely make up more than 5% of the actual game population. How many devoted, daily users do we have here? 50? 100? Even if all 100 are shelling out the most brilliant, balanced and user friendly ideas to improve the game, we still equal 5% of a vastly silent voice.

It's the same illusion every time. You have a great idea. You share it and maybe some others agree. Maybe a LOT agree. Maybe even a few Moderators chime in. You feel great, thinking that you will make a difference.

At best, your idea *might* make it on to a coffee stained legal pad of someone at a company. That list *might* get browsed by someone who actually UNDERSTANDS why your ideas are on that list to begin with. But sadly, it doesn't. It might come up in a meeting with the higher ups; business men, marketing executives, investors. They won't understand it. They will only want the most basic explanation there is:

"If I give you money to add whatever this is, will it make me more money in the long run?"

Meanwhile we are back at our computers and consoles, playing a game we love despite its flaws and shortcomings. We sit hoping that all our best ideas see the light of day. We know if we just got that chance; that one great idea added or adjustment made. Perhaps hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands could wake up one morning and log in to a brighter future. The silent 95% that say nothing, and typically receive it.

[Grymms]

1. Trion doesn't care about you or what you want.
2. Trion has no idea how to add what you want.
3. Trion doesn't care about you or what you want.
4. The new person in charge wants to keep his job the last two said they were going t9 give the fans what they wanted amd look what happened to them....gone. This new one wants to keep his job so he is a company stooge amd does what ever the new company head wants. Which is give you garbage DLC so they meet the requirements for the season passes. Whilwe holding the fan requested stuff back so they can swindle you out of your money. As soon as the 5 dlc requirement is met you will see a fan request dlc/expansion they will sell for double normal price.

Give the fans what they want.....not on my watch. Give them pale reskin a handful of missions, truck of doom minus the doom and melee weapons. Next one unknown limit on nades they refuse to elaborate on and other half assed dlc. Enjoy your prepaid dlc.

Trion customer service skills on par with Syrian Politics......the fans are gett8ng unruly. Gas em.