September going to kill Defiance

[Valdrane78]

Of course publishers like SyFy can always change their tune.

SyFy is notorious for this. They have screwed over GREAT shows to bring in crap. Take Farscape for instance. It was supposed to have a 5th season, however, SyFy said that their 4.5 season as the 5th and cancelled it in favor of Stargate SG1. While Farscape is hailed as one of the greats, SG1 gets put into the planthora of just decent shows. Other honorable mentions are BSG and Eureka.

I wouldn't put it past SyFy to cancel either the show before it's due or pull sponsorship from the game.

[JD nutz]

Yup Diablo 3 demo bored the crap put of me I literally walked around and pressed A for everything. Open,press a. Attack, press a. Talk, press a. REALLY...

D3 is not boring at all if you played for 5 mins, so could leave a bs comment then you are missing out on a great playable co op game try making some friends (real life ) and play on the same tv, its the best loot game ever for couch co op lol and every button has a power so you just pressing A is bs also.

[SeijuroHiko1981]

I share a bit more optimism than that but I hear you and understand what you're saying. To Date no MMO or open world has launched smoothly. However the point I was trying to make was only that it's a company with better developers and proven methods and processes. They'll handle what happens much better.

What they have on their list for launch is already above this game 6 months in.
Yeah you're going to get whiners EVERYWHERE but at least GTA is being upfront. You're going to get your wallet and car stolen. It's called Grand Theft Auto. The format is Gangs. Those future complainers really have it coming to them if they expect rainbows and ponies from the series.

Just sayin

Youer also talking abought a game that considers muliti player as only 12 not thousands

[Don Nawetta]

What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger.

Not a fact at all, just a prayer

[Qoh Helethe]

SyFy is notorious for this. They have screwed over GREAT shows to bring in crap. Take Farscape for instance. It was supposed to have a 5th season, however, SyFy said that their 4.5 season as the 5th and cancelled it in favor of Stargate SG1. While Farscape is hailed as one of the greats, SG1 gets put into the planthora of just decent shows. Other honorable mentions are BSG and Eureka.

I wouldn't put it past SyFy to cancel either the show before it's due or pull sponsorship from the game.

For sure I wouldn't put it past SyFy to pull the plug. But I don't think you'll find the causality in the server population of the game. Like someone else mentioned, every month has been "the month that was going to kill Defiance."

[lil frier]

I have to agree there, until I think it was the end of 2011 I was pretty much a PC gamer for the most part. Consoles are in many ways a new medium for the MMO and there can be a ton of issues as we have seen with this game that can arise. Now to to get a good debate going would Defiance have worked better if it had just been a one platform title? On PC what often keeps any game going if the company allows it is community expansions, NWN and Skyrim come to mind for longevity due to the many mods that were made by players. I do see an issue with ESO when it hits mainly for the console players, who is going to want a subscription based game on a console? If we think the Defiance forums have a lot of complaining wait until people who pay monthly to play get started. While there is a market for MMO games on consoles it would almost be better to either make them exclusive to one system, or just two not 3 different platforms.

It would depend on the platform, I think. If it went to PC, no. The PC MMO scene is essentially owned by WoW, and there are plenty of other games (ToT, Guild Wars, Rift, etc.) which fill the gaps for non-WoW fans. There's too much saturation with the PC market for MMOs already.

If you mean Xbox OR PS3, I don't think it would have worked out, either.

Where the question become interesting is at the Xbox One/PS4 level. There, I'm not sue exclusivity matters. I think that a major hang-up with this game (on consoles, at least) is a lack of pure computing power. In Arkfalls, players become a generic model, taking away the in-world personalization of players (heck, it can even happen in small groups). It also has MAJOR lag coming in and out of fast travel, at times. I think the game would have played and been received better on the next generation of consoles, because this generation's just not strong enough to handle the CPU load for a MMO.

The genre is something of a unique beast because of how demanding it is, I think. To get into WoW, you are now required to level through Vanilla, TBC, Wrath, and Cata, then you have to go through Mists' leveling as well. After all of that (which I imagine would take a casual person a month or so), you are then FINALLY able to start doing meaningful things (heroics, raiding, arenas, etc.). There's a massive time commitment with MMOs, and while Defiance isn't like that, it's still a tough sell to get someone to leave a MMO for another, as you're talking about dumping months (if not years) of player investment, along with leaving a clan and/or real life friends. With games like Madden and Call of Duty, there isn't that matter of expansions to keep the game going long-term, so everyone just migrates to the newest one (since the older ones won't get physics/roster updates anymore). Non-MMO genres kind of force people to the next game, while MMOs lock you into a long-term commitment, making you hesitant to leave.

[lil frier]

SyFy is notorious for this. They have screwed over GREAT shows to bring in crap. Take Farscape for instance. It was supposed to have a 5th season, however, SyFy said that their 4.5 season as the 5th and cancelled it in favor of Stargate SG1. While Farscape is hailed as one of the greats, SG1 gets put into the planthora of just decent shows. Other honorable mentions are BSG and Eureka.

I wouldn't put it past SyFy to cancel either the show before it's due or pull sponsorship from the game.

I haven't watched Farscape yet, but I'd say that SG-1 was better than an average show, but maybe that's the nostalgia talking. I WILL say, though, that Eureka really wasn't anything special. It was an entertaining show, I liked it, but it was limited in lacking major story arcs, in my opinion. Galactica, it was a great show, but it took me some time to get over the recasting from the original show (making a bunch of the characters different races and genders than they were).

[SHADOWBROKER]

its going to hurt the game a lil but the real killer is coming in november!

[Indra Echo]

I don't need to/want to look into your post history. I don't care. I'm not here arguing your stance on the game, I'm here pointing out that some of what your prattling on about is just bitter opinions and presumptions. That's it. Nothing to do with being a fanboi. Unlike a lot of you here I don't allow hype to work my tighty-whiteys up in a wad then find a spot to suck back H8torade when things don't reach my lofty expectations. I don't praise this game nor bag on it. I simply read threads and point out posters for for the 'dumb' they allow to propegate.

GTA hasn't dropped yet so all your citing is developer hype. Way to break the cycle >.> Then you take one facet of the DLC and propose that that's the only thing to be expected for future developments towards Defy. Tech alread proven wrong with the chit-chat from last Friday. Want to keep going or you feel like powering down and learning from your mistakes?

Lemme' guess, you're super smart that nobody gets and I'm just a doodey-head for poking holes in your hackneyed philosophy of QQ.


...fanboi... lulz

It's like playing with ants when I come in here. Way too easy.

I'm going to disagree with everyone here and even myself. We have one way only to ever change things and to ever be sure games are good and deserving of our money. Don't ever pre-order anything again. Resist the urge to get the special super powered cool looking stuff you get from collector's editions of anything. Don't buy special or limited editions. Don't pre-buy anything. Buy it when you see actual gameplay videos or better yet, try demos before you buy.

Then if you like the game and DLC comes out, buy it as it becomes available and never buy Season Passes (the name devs give to most DLC bundles these days). If you don't like the game, insist until you are told with all finality otherwise, on a refund. Don't accept crap. And don't just accept the word that no refund is allowed. Mass Effect 3 showed that if enough people are mad enough, companies will issue refunds-at first some retailers, but others will have to follow.

Don't assume franchise games will always be good and don't accept it if they are not. Also, expect DLC that is new and fresh and if all you are getting is some new content with a lot of old, rehashed crap open your yap and complain about it. But be specific and constructive. Don't just say something is a PoS and this is the last time you're going to buy from them. Most devs are not so concerned at keeping current customers--that means you're expendable. They're looking for the uninformed new guy to come play a cool looking game casually. Far better if they can get someone who really doesn't love the game they've made. It helps to get others who don't care so much so they'll spend $100, play for an hour, use the servers sporadically, and then move onto something else. Demand, yes demand better. Expect better. And yes, be "entitled" to something better than games devs don't expect you to play much, let alone finish.

If all you keep saying is something like "this game sucks" then people tend to tune you out. People considering buying a game just think you have problems (some may read what you say, but people wanting to have some fun, don't tend to think much of random meaningless "I hate you" threads). Be informative.

And don't be this person who is just certain that any new cool-sounding game that might be released a year from now will be the best thing ever. You don't know that, but your hype will mean less work for the devs making it. If everyone says the new Bomb Blasto 3 will be the best game ever known to exist and will be super special and do everything right, the devs don't have to say anything good about it (so they won't be accused of lying), and they don't have to make it as good as it could be. They know you're buying it, anyway.

In short, adopt a wait and see attitude. Games and some electronics are the only things that seem to have people imagining what they'll be like and then buying based on what they've imagined. If you wouldn't buy carpet that way then it's probably best to not buy anything that way.

I've broken these rules myself.

[joseph021775]

It would depend on the platform, I think. If it went to PC, no. The PC MMO scene is essentially owned by WoW, and there are plenty of other games (ToT, Guild Wars, Rift, etc.) which fill the gaps for non-WoW fans. There's too much saturation with the PC market for MMOs already.

If you mean Xbox OR PS3, I don't think it would have worked out, either.

Where the question become interesting is at the Xbox One/PS4 level. There, I'm not sue exclusivity matters. I think that a major hang-up with this game (on consoles, at least) is a lack of pure computing power. In Arkfalls, players become a generic model, taking away the in-world personalization of players (heck, it can even happen in small groups). It also has MAJOR lag coming in and out of fast travel, at times. I think the game would have played and been received better on the next generation of consoles, because this generation's just not strong enough to handle the CPU load for a MMO.

The genre is something of a unique beast because of how demanding it is, I think. To get into WoW, you are now required to level through Vanilla, TBC, Wrath, and Cata, then you have to go through Mists' leveling as well. After all of that (which I imagine would take a casual person a month or so), you are then FINALLY able to start doing meaningful things (heroics, raiding, arenas, etc.). There's a massive time commitment with MMOs, and while Defiance isn't like that, it's still a tough sell to get someone to leave a MMO for another, as you're talking about dumping months (if not years) of player investment, along with leaving a clan and/or real life friends. With games like Madden and Call of Duty, there isn't that matter of expansions to keep the game going long-term, so everyone just migrates to the newest one (since the older ones won't get physics/roster updates anymore). Non-MMO genres kind of force people to the next game, while MMOs lock you into a long-term commitment, making you hesitant to leave.

I think you are right about the game probably would have been better on a next gen. I do have to ask does the generic model also happen on PC? And yeah there seems to be no end to MMOs on PC, I see ads for what seems like a new one everyday. A lot of the issue also is those who have not played an MMO do not have a lot of patience when it comes to the seemingly endless number of issues that comes along with one, I'm not giving Trion a pass by any means from what I have read the PC side gets a lot of the same problems and I really just feel sorry for the PS3 folks. One issue that I can see is inexperience, Trion had just Rifts under their belt and then jump to doing a multi-platform TV tie in MMO.