September going to kill Defiance

[joseph021775]

I'm going to disagree with everyone here and even myself. We have one way only to ever change things and to ever be sure games are good and deserving of our money. Don't ever pre-order anything again. Resist the urge to get the special super powered cool looking stuff you get from collector's editions of anything. Don't buy special or limited editions. Don't pre-buy anything. Buy it when you see actual gameplay videos or better yet, try demos before you buy.

Then if you like the game and DLC comes out, buy it as it becomes available and never buy Season Passes (the name devs give to most DLC bundles these days). If you don't like the game, insist until you are told with all finality otherwise, on a refund. Don't accept crap. And don't just accept the word that no refund is allowed. Mass Effect 3 showed that if enough people are mad enough, companies will issue refunds-at first some retailers, but others will have to follow.

Don't assume franchise games will always be good and don't accept it if they are not. Also, expect DLC that is new and fresh and if all you are getting is some new content with a lot of old, rehashed crap open your yap and complain about it. But be specific and constructive. Don't just say something is a PoS and this is the last time you're going to buy from them. Most devs are not so concerned at keeping current customers--that means you're expendable. They're looking for the uninformed new guy to come play a cool looking game casually. Far better if they can get someone who really doesn't love the game they've made. It helps to get others who don't care so much so they'll spend $100, play for an hour, use the servers sporadically, and then move onto something else. Demand, yes demand better. Expect better. And yes, be "entitled" to something better than games devs don't expect you to play much, let alone finish.

If all you keep saying is something like "this game sucks" then people tend to tune you out. People considering buying a game just think you have problems (some may read what you say, but people wanting to have some fun, don't tend to think much of random meaningless "I hate you" threads). Be informative.

And don't be this person who is just certain that any new cool-sounding game that might be released a year from now will be the best thing ever. You don't know that, but your hype will mean less work for the devs making it. If everyone says the new Bomb Blasto 3 will be the best game ever known to exist and will be super special and do everything right, the devs don't have to say anything good about it (so they won't be accused of lying), and they don't have to make it as good as it could be. They know you're buying it, anyway.

In short, adopt a wait and see attitude. Games and some electronics are the only things that seem to have people imagining what they'll be like and then buying based on what they've imagined. If you wouldn't buy carpet that way then it's probably best to not buy anything that way.

I've broken these rules myself.

AMEN. I learned my lesson with M3 and it's 4 ummm endings, and DLC that came out a year after most people had already beaten the game, all of it sounded pretty good but in the end it changed nothing about the ending or added much to the game itself by that point. ESO seems to be the next big MMO there may be something else before that, but I am not too sure how well the subscription model will actually work out on a console especially a new one, could be bad or good but as you said until it hits nobody knows. I think people base "what will kill a game " on personal preference, GTA at least to me is like the COD games all just cardboard cut outs of the last one. A lot of people will still buy these games and that's cool, but a combination of several coming out seemingly each month ans new consoles dropping will erode the player base of any game especially one that has the issues we see here.

[Bob Blunderbust]

D3 is not boring at all if you played for 5 mins, so could leave a bs comment then you are missing out on a great playable co op game try making some friends (real life ) and play on the same tv, its the best loot game ever for couch co op lol and every button has a power so you just pressing A is bs also.

d3 is sooo boring it could be used as a sleeping pill if you can not sleep it will put you to sleep in under 10 mins

[four]

Yeah Diablo 3 is definitely boring I could have more fun watching paint dry lol and yes I played for about an hour and you can literally press A for everything I did it trust me. And lol at the friends remark... Me and my friends dont sit on a couch together playing video games like 10 year olds we go out and interact with the real world.

[Amack]

I'm going to disagree with everyone here and even myself. We have one way only to ever change things and to ever be sure games are good and deserving of our money. Don't ever pre-order anything again. Resist the urge to get the special super powered cool looking stuff you get from collector's editions of anything. Don't buy special or limited editions. Don't pre-buy anything. Buy it when you see actual gameplay videos or better yet, try demos before you buy.

Then if you like the game and DLC comes out, buy it as it becomes available and never buy Season Passes (the name devs give to most DLC bundles these days). If you don't like the game, insist until you are told with all finality otherwise, on a refund. Don't accept crap. And don't just accept the word that no refund is allowed. Mass Effect 3 showed that if enough people are mad enough, companies will issue refunds-at first some retailers, but others will have to follow.

Don't assume franchise games will always be good and don't accept it if they are not. Also, expect DLC that is new and fresh and if all you are getting is some new content with a lot of old, rehashed crap open your yap and complain about it. But be specific and constructive. Don't just say something is a PoS and this is the last time you're going to buy from them. Most devs are not so concerned at keeping current customers--that means you're expendable. They're looking for the uninformed new guy to come play a cool looking game casually. Far better if they can get someone who really doesn't love the game they've made. It helps to get others who don't care so much so they'll spend $100, play for an hour, use the servers sporadically, and then move onto something else. Demand, yes demand better. Expect better. And yes, be "entitled" to something better than games devs don't expect you to play much, let alone finish.

If all you keep saying is something like "this game sucks" then people tend to tune you out. People considering buying a game just think you have problems (some may read what you say, but people wanting to have some fun, don't tend to think much of random meaningless "I hate you" threads). Be informative.

And don't be this person who is just certain that any new cool-sounding game that might be released a year from now will be the best thing ever. You don't know that, but your hype will mean less work for the devs making it. If everyone says the new Bomb Blasto 3 will be the best game ever known to exist and will be super special and do everything right, the devs don't have to say anything good about it (so they won't be accused of lying), and they don't have to make it as good as it could be. They know you're buying it, anyway.

In short, adopt a wait and see attitude. Games and some electronics are the only things that seem to have people imagining what they'll be like and then buying based on what they've imagined. If you wouldn't buy carpet that way then it's probably best to not buy anything that way.

I've broken these rules myself.

There is entirely too much logic and good advice in this post, it should be deleted!

[Frozen]

I know I'll be here until the holidays, when I pick up my PS4. Whenever Destiny and FF14 launch I'll be moving to those. I really do love this game, but all my friends have given up, and unless dlc 2/3 are incredible game changers I know they won't be coming back, even with their season passes. This really disappoints me. I pick up rpg/mmo/fps games to play with friends. (and pokemon to play with my daughter )

[lil frier]

I think you are right about the game probably would have been better on a next gen. I do have to ask does the generic model also happen on PC? And yeah there seems to be no end to MMOs on PC, I see ads for what seems like a new one everyday. A lot of the issue also is those who have not played an MMO do not have a lot of patience when it comes to the seemingly endless number of issues that comes along with one, I'm not giving Trion a pass by any means from what I have read the PC side gets a lot of the same problems and I really just feel sorry for the PS3 folks. One issue that I can see is inexperience, Trion had just Rifts under their belt and then jump to doing a multi-platform TV tie in MMO.

I cannot say, as I don't have it on PC. I would imagine that this does not happen though, unless you're on a really old machine. Present-day PCs are MUCH more-powerful than the 2006 Xbox 360 (while I don't know the CPU comparison, the GPU of the 360 is modeled after an AMD card that is so old that Windows 7 didn't even support it).

And yeah, patience is a problem. People see the polish of games like Halo and Call of Duty, then consider anything less to be of poor quality. They don't get that rendering a world like that of Defiance or Skyrim is different, and having a non-scripted world like most campaigns do leads to a LOT more variables with potential for bugs (such as when mammoths go flying in Skyrim). That, and MMO folks are use the high-quality releases of WoW, which is 9 years old now. They don't get how a fresh game can lack the polish of one almost 10 years old, so they CERTAINLY can't be bothered to tolerate the lack of polish at the onset.

At the same time, the online gaming popularity has led to the release of unfinished products. By having an easy way to patch, games get rushed and released with many bugs, knowing that a patch is implemented easily.

[Valdrane78]

That, and MMO folks are use the high-quality releases of WoW, which is 9 years old now. They don't get how a fresh game can lack the polish of one almost 10 years old, so they CERTAINLY can't be bothered to tolerate the lack of polish at the onset.

I'm sorry, but I am of the opinion that WoW is one of the most dated looking games out on the market. It certainly lacks the polish you say it does. Defiance on my XBox (slim) looks 10 times better than WoW on my desktop. Heck, I have a few arcade games on my XBox that look better than WoW ever did.

The problem with WoW and Blizzard is that they never bothered to update the engine for it. Yes it would cost a bit extra, but the little extra love they put into it would have been worth every penny. I'm sorry, but 8 sided wheels on catapults is NOT polish. Even when they did slightly upgrade the look of WoW it still looked inferior to MMOs that where older (Star Wars Galaxies).

[Lollie]

I'm not even slightly interested in GTA V - it's full loot pvp. Bleh. I'll watch it destroy itself same as every other game has done in its own unique way past 5 years.

WTB one good game.

[AmnesiaHaze]

PS4 will kill my PS3

[J_matt]

Another month another month kill thread can wait for next months kill thread lol