Community Ideas, why are they ignored?

[Sanguinesun]

Why they don't listen to many of the ideas?

I imagine for the same reason that TV producers don't listen to the crazy stories created by fans. Fans tend to want to wrap things up quickly, never leave anything open and prevent further storytelling. For a game I imagine they take the same sort of ideas.

Ask another forumite here what happens when someone blames the fans.

[TravelerX1]

Not gonna happen. Polls are against the CoC as seen here: http://forums.defiance.com/announcement.php?f=3&a=4

"Examples of non-constructive discussion include:

- Spam posts that lack meaningful content and do not add to the conversation: This includes: in before lock, +1, first, /10char, etc.
- Cross-forum posting: Posting the same discussion, link, or guild recruitment repeatedly and across numerous forums in an attempt to gain a wider audience or more attention. This splits a discussion across the boards rather than allowing for one centralized discussion that is easily read by all.
- Naming & Shaming
- Disruption of Official Posts: These threads are created by the Devs, Community Team, or other Trion employees in an attempt to gather feedback or provide information to players. Most times these threads will be heavily moderated, and any off-topic posts will be removed.
- Demands/Polls/Petitions"

Why don't you just apply for mod'ship?
Get that nice ban hammer in your hands and do it all proper!

[Indra Echo]

Why they don't listen to many of the ideas?

I imagine for the same reason that TV producers don't listen to the crazy stories created by fans. Fans tend to want to wrap things up quickly, never leave anything open and prevent further storytelling. For a game I imagine they take the same sort of ideas.

The truth is that sometimes it's impossible to listen to the whims of fans. Constructive and detailed criticism is one thing, but random whims and wishes are another. If Fan A wants something nerfed and a bunch of people agree, and others just get all angry about it and say, "hell no" but offer no real reason for not wanting it nerfed, they may actually nerf the thing. Then what can happen is along comes Fan B with real reasons why nerfing failed--and maybe makes him want to quit the game. In this case, Fan B has no choice but to see that Fan A bears some blame for this, some responsibility, but he also can put some of that blame on people that just used anger instead of actually using reasons.

I saw this with discussions over the Immunizers. People would give a lot of reasons for wanting them nerfed and were pointing to PvP problems. The dissenting opinions ranged from "you just suck" to "I paid a lot for my orange Immunizer--hell, no don't nerf it". I don't recall there being any good reasons for not nerfing it beyond the idea that PvP and PvE should be separate events.

Unless all fans can agree on appropriate ways to have conversations about this stuff and state their arguments for or against some point and not point the finger at a specific person, rather than that person's statements, devs will often just make their best guesses. I do put the blame on people (myself included) as it relates to their comments-we are responsible for what we say. So, I would say that some of the changes we have not liked are due to fans and what they've asked for, sometimes.

The broader point is that devs act like parents sometimes-trying to corral the children. They can't give the kids everything they want and can't constantly explain why not. But parents aren't going to respond well to a child who's just sitting in the corner screaming, "I hate you!" with anything like bottomless respect. And we are supposed to not be children-should try and at least explain our problems, and have every right to coherently and constructively state why what they're doing is not in our or their best interest. They don't have to agree with it or even act upon it, but they should seriously consider it.


But even adults do sometimes get overly frustrated at being ignored-and persistent issues make them lose it. Anyone who wants you to buy what they're selling has to accept that and deal with it responsibly as well. Sometimes the loudest screamer actually is telling you something worth listening too and it's always a good idea to pay attention when someone has that much emotion invested in your product.

[Iceberg]

Ask another forumite here what happens when someone blames the fans.

The only ones left here are movie bots. :P

[Indra Echo]

Ask another forumite here what happens when someone blames the fans.

And I know you mean me and totally tried to take that out of context and then felt it was completely warranted for you and others to insult me in posts and then others to send me extremely vulgar messages about certain anatomical things. Anonymity on the internet makes some feel it's ok to treat other real people like garbage over disagreements about a game.

I stand behind what I said and that was that some changes to weapons and things in the game were due to fan requests, so those that wanted them were partly to blame. I included myself as one of those who was to be blamed because there were things I said needed to be fixed. So in blaming fans, I blamed myself too. But you in all maturity, failed to see that because you had an agenda. It was to discredit anything I said.

I don't care if you agree with me or not, but assigning blame sometimes is warranted if providing an explanation.

And since you say you were someone who has moderated forums, I find your attitude appalling. Apparently it is ok with you to treat people badly just because you can.

[N3gativeCr33p]

Ok, with all due respect if UI tweaks are things you can turn around faster, instead of being concerned with grenades cluttering up our inventory, how about tweaking the inventory UI to make it usable and less cluttered?

I would love to hear an official response to this.

[Indra Echo]

I would love to hear an official response to this.

That's been a complaint voiced all over these forums for the longest time-and it could even merely be addressed by using the same system they have for contracts and pursuits at a minimum.

I know I've created and posted in several threads, also sent feedback in game about this and nothing, not a word about it ever.

[Escyos]

The truth is that sometimes it's impossible to listen to the whims of fans. Constructive and detailed criticism is one thing, but random whims and wishes are another. If Fan A wants something nerfed and a bunch of people agree, and others just get all angry about it and say, "hell no" but offer no real reason for not wanting it nerfed, they may actually nerf the thing. Then what can happen is along comes Fan B with real reasons why nerfing failed--and maybe makes him want to quit the game. In this case, Fan B has no choice but to see that Fan A bears some blame for this, some responsibility, but he also can put some of that blame on people that just used anger instead of actually using reasons.

I saw this with discussions over the Immunizers. People would give a lot of reasons for wanting them nerfed and were pointing to PvP problems. The dissenting opinions ranged from "you just suck" to "I paid a lot for my orange Immunizer--hell, no don't nerf it". I don't recall there being any good reasons for not nerfing it beyond the idea that PvP and PvE should be separate events.

Unless all fans can agree on appropriate ways to have conversations about this stuff and state their arguments for or against some point and not point the finger at a specific person, rather than that person's statements, devs will often just make their best guesses. I do put the blame on people (myself included) as it relates to their comments-we are responsible for what we say. So, I would say that some of the changes we have not liked are due to fans and what they've asked for, sometimes.

The broader point is that devs act like parents sometimes-trying to corral the children. They can't give the kids everything they want and can't constantly explain why not. But parents aren't going to respond well to a child who's just sitting in the corner screaming, "I hate you!" with anything like bottomless respect. And we are supposed to not be children-should try and at least explain our problems, and have every right to coherently and constructively state why what they're doing is not in our or their best interest. They don't have to agree with it or even act upon it, but they should seriously consider it.


But even adults do sometimes get overly frustrated at being ignored-and persistent issues make them lose it. Anyone who wants you to buy what they're selling has to accept that and deal with it responsibly as well. Sometimes the loudest screamer actually is telling you something worth listening too and it's always a good idea to pay attention when someone has that much emotion invested in your product.

Unfortunately that won't happen. If history, both worldwide and on this forum, is any indication the fans (although one might class many of them as haters) will never agree on anything. Pretty much everyone (in the world) is a selfish person who feels that their opinion makes them right or their money gives them the right to have as much say in something and that is how we always will be (At least here on Earth, things change for the humans that move to Mars in 2022, I have a time machine I know these things)

[TigrisMorte]

The only ones left here are movie bots. :P

What? I'm a movie bot?... damn, sorry guys, didn't mean to fall down on the job.


ok, so watch
Lifeforce http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0089489/
The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086856/
The Thing (1982 remake not that crao from 2011) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084787/
The Lion in Winter http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063227/
Much Ado About Nothing (Sorry Josh, I liked yours but Kenneth's is better.) http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0107616/

I'll get more in as I can, are there rules for performance? Don't want to let down the team!

[CRIXDA]

So many times, it is like we get burned.
I want this game to succeed.
Please help us out, Trion.