Enough with the nerfing of weapons ....

[Camelot]

to those people who just got in this thread, the reason I don't want them to nerf anymore weapons is because the weapons that we tried to find and build looking for expensive mods.We need this at their optimum level to fight volges,dark matters .....etc.Why do we complain if a weapon is to powerful.why can't we just ask trion instead of shooting each other make peace.Of course there will always be more powerful weapons in the game.
Trion already nerf alot of weapons that are very useful against the volges and dark matters.Did you even think
after they nerf the FRC Saw and immunizer that were all gonna be satisfied.That's a big "NO" cause they will find another weapons that will pissed you off.And were back to square one.That's why I suggested to Trion to give us a standard set of loadout weapon(different from what we have on the campaign ).Now, for those who still wants to use their campaign guns.It's gonna be hardcore level.

Regular(for noobs) Hardcore mode
(standard weapons ) (campaign weapons )
Freight Yard Freight Yard
Waterfront Waterfront
Military Academy Military Academy
Observatory Observatory

[Dracian]

to those people who just got in this thread, the reason I don't want them to nerf anymore weapons is because the weapons that we tried to find and build looking for expensive mods.We need this at their optimum level to fight volges,dark matters .....etc.Why do we complain if a weapon is to powerful.why can't we just ask trion instead of shooting each other make peace.Of course there will always be more powerful weapons in the game.
Trion already nerf alot of weapons that are very useful against the volges and dark matters.Did you even think
after they nerf the FRC Saw and immunizer that were all gonna be satisfied.That's a big "NO" cause they will find another weapons that will pissed you off.And were back to square one.That's why I suggested to Trion to give us a standard set of loadout weapon(different from what we have on the campaign ).Now, for those who still wants to use their campaign guns.It's gonna be hardcore level.

I'm sorry but if you were using an INF-27 in PvE, you were doing it wrong. And if you can't kill a ******* thing in PvE with a post-nerf SAW then I have some bad news for you...

Thing is, right now, the only real end-game content that frakking game has is PvP. PvP is the only game mode where you can die 10 times in less than 15 minutes, it's the only mode where opponents are really trying to kill you and it's the only mode where Victory is never easy and assured. Not to mention that save a few exception, it's always PvP stuff that is the most expensive on Trade forums... Maybe because PvP requires a real high-end equipement if you want an edge over your enemies, while in PvE you can do well with almost any weapon... Even if that weapon is a Slugger, a Birdshot Pump or a VOT Bolter.

Now, if you want precise answers on what could happen if certain weapons are nerfed/corrected :

- If Infectors lose their aim-assist ability : zero DPS loss, as long as your aim is OK, you won't see any difference. Same goes if Eggs' size is greatly reduced : 0 DPS loss.
- If Big Boomer's DMG or Radius is reduced : save a few exceptions tied to unlocking weapon mastery's bonus, I have yet to see people use BBs in PvE, where Ground Pounder is King. So almost zero consequences too.
- If Surge Bolter's base DMG or Hip Accuracy is reduced : same, no consequences : Sniper Rifles become completely useless when more than four people are around you because of enemy's scaling. In very small groups or in solo, any charged headshot is already overkill.

See what I mean ? No need to be nervous, dude.

[Camelot]

I'm sorry but if you were using an INF-27 in PvE, you were doing it wrong. And if you can't kill a ******* thing in PvE with a post-nerf SAW then I have some bad news for you...

Thing is, right now, the only real end-game content that frakking game has is PvP. PvP is the only game mode where you can die 10 times in less than 15 minutes, it's the only mode where opponents are really trying to kill you and it's the only mode where Victory is never easy and assured. Not to mention that save a few exception, it's always PvP stuff that is the most expensive on Trade forums... Maybe because PvP requires a real high-end equipement if you want an edge over your enemies, while in PvE you can do well with almost any weapon... Even if that weapon is a Slugger, a Birdshot Pump or a VOT Bolter.

Now, if you want precise answers on what could happen if certain weapons are nerfed/corrected :

- If Infectors lose their aim-assist ability : zero DPS loss, as long as your aim is OK, you won't see any difference. Same goes if Eggs' size is greatly reduced : 0 DPS loss.
- If Big Boomer's DMG or Radius is reduced : save a few exceptions tied to unlocking weapon mastery's bonus, I have yet to see people use BBs in PvE, where Ground Pounder is King. So almost zero consequences too.
- If Surge Bolter's base DMG or Hip Accuracy is reduced : same, no consequences : Sniper Rifles become completely useless when more than four people are around you because of enemy's scaling. In very small groups or in solo, any charged headshot is already overkill.

See what I mean ? No need to be nervous, dude.

First of all I would like to thank everybody who gave their view on the matter at hand.

[Camelot]

I'm sorry but if you were using an INF-27 in PvE, you were doing it wrong. And if you can't kill a ******* thing in PvE with a post-nerf SAW then I have some bad news for you...

Thing is, right now, the only real end-game content that frakking game has is PvP. PvP is the only game mode where you can die 10 times in less than 15 minutes, it's the only mode where opponents are really trying to kill you and it's the only mode where Victory is never easy and assured. Not to mention that save a few exception, it's always PvP stuff that is the most expensive on Trade forums... Maybe because PvP requires a real high-end equipement if you want an edge over your enemies, while in PvE you can do well with almost any weapon... Even if that weapon is a Slugger, a Birdshot Pump or a VOT Bolter.

Now, if you want precise answers on what could happen if certain weapons are nerfed/corrected :

- If Infectors lose their aim-assist ability : zero DPS loss, as long as your aim is OK, you won't see any difference. Same goes if Eggs' size is greatly reduced : 0 DPS loss.
- If Big Boomer's DMG or Radius is reduced : save a few exceptions tied to unlocking weapon mastery's bonus, I have yet to see people use BBs in PvE, where Ground Pounder is King. So almost zero consequences too.
- If Surge Bolter's base DMG or Hip Accuracy is reduced : same, no consequences : Sniper Rifles become completely useless when more than four people are around you because of enemy's scaling. In very small groups or in solo, any charged headshot is already overkill.

See what I mean ? No need to be nervous, dude.

All you think about is to nerf weapons .My concern is the game it self.Why don't we let Trion fix the game before asking them to nerf our weapons.I donk know about you but I still experience alot of weird stuff like floating helion bug(boss),your driving then suddenly the volges is in front of you,when you shoot darkmatters with five ammo from big boomer and they don't die from it,And in the freight yard you're driving but you duplicate is somewhere else.oh! I almost forgot about the guy on shadow wars that is hard to kill............etc.This are just a short list of it.I not nervous at all,nerfing weapons doesn't solved our problems it's actually adding more.

[Camelot]

Trion are you even reading my post?Can you even acknowledged my suggestion.Earth to Trion please response!

[Camelot]

Trion are you even reading my post?Can you even acknowledged my suggestion.Earth to Trion please response!

What's the purpose of posting a trade if they keep ignoring you.Get over it! that is Trion favorite line if you report send a ticket concerning you busted weapon.To them your weapons is fine but I'm the one using it and I should know better.

Complaining about weapons and perks all the time .They want to nerf every weapons that kills them and not the one their using.Do you think that's fair? If you guys cant kill any body then you sucks at it.If you want to get better practice instead of asking to nerf the weapons that kills you.You have to adapt,adjust,practice.Instead of complaining about the weapons and perks grow up some balls.

[kendillin]

Look, I know my opinions don't matter cause I haven't been around since launch, but when does "balance" become lack of variety?

[chilipino]

Look, I know my opinions don't matter cause I haven't been around since launch, but when does "balance" become lack of variety?

In my experience it's usually the other way around. Imbalance leads to lack of variety. There should be more weapons as effective as Cankers, Big Boomers, and Surge Bolters for people to QQ about.

[Camelot]

Adapt,change,practice.These are 3 basic things you have to learn.nerfing more weapons is not gonna solved any problems

[bigguy]

but thats what they do best its the only thing they can pull off without creating another problem , they also like to do it in the hotfix when noone is looking so we have to figure it out for ourselves