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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumeyes View Post
    ...[I] don't think Trion is working extremely hard to get the community ingame. I meant support in a tad broader context.
    TW does nothing to involve the community. In fact, their community support doesn't even exist. A few months ago I PM'd dahanese about GM support for community events. I couldn't even believe the response she sent back.

    Here it is:

    Quote Originally Posted by Cavadus
    Hey dahenese,

    Thanks for all of the recent posts lately. It's nice to see a little life from y'all on the forums

    Anyways, I've been trying to figure out FOR MONTHS if there is any GM support available for community events?

    Specifically, NA PC.

    I'm the guild leader of the 47th Legion, one of the more larger-ish and active guilds on NA PC, and we'd like to act out a bit of an RP storyline we're putting together which will explain how the 47th Legion came to be.

    All I would really need from a GM is a big ole spawn of the renegade E-Rep mobs used in Rynn's episodic content.

    Let me know what's possible, thanks!

    ~Cav
    Quote Originally Posted by dahanese
    Unfortunately, this isn't something we can do right now. I'm sorry about that - but I hope you can figure out other cool RP stuff.
    So there you go. GMs have absolutely no in-game powers whatsoever and are not capable of supporting community events.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cavadus View Post
    TW does nothing to involve the community. In fact, their community support doesn't even exist. A few months ago I PM'd dahanese about GM support for community events. I couldn't even believe the response she sent back.

    Here it is:





    So there you go. GMs have absolutely no in-game powers whatsoever and are not capable of supporting community events.
    I'm sorry that we didn't get to talk more about this - my bad if you sent a reply to me after that conversation and I didn't follow up. The Community team and the GMs are different folks (Deb used to be a GM but she's our Community Coordinator now.) The request you sent is pretty specific in terms of in-game requests and not something we can do - but for community events in general (whether they are things we do as contests or competitions or stuff we do in game like running instances or arkfalls with you guys) that's something we do on occasion and would never say no to doing more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dahanese View Post
    ..we do as contests or competitions or stuff we do in game like running instances or arkfalls with you guys) that's something we do on occasion and would never say no to doing more..
    Sounds good, but can you (whether or not you do that in conjunction with community media like K-TAM) communicate that on the forum or other ways (twitter or w/e).

    I am sure more people would be interested in joining contests or competitions for a lousy 5 bitcoin, where you guys are present, just for the hell of it.

    I do hope you aren't referring to the Friday Livestream Extravaganza and actually talking about contests that can spice up the RPG a bit?

    Let the Community Coordinator throw some ideas of what is possible within Defiance.
    Signed off. See you with the next DLC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Escyos View Post
    The fact of the matter is that I own Defiance Wiki and I get to choose what belongs on it. I don't care what other wikis are doing, I don't care that some persons site feels they should be on there. My site does VERY well on its own without links from partner sites, these forums themselves provided a MASSIVE amount of my traffic with individual sites only putting one or two links in a week.
    Quote Originally Posted by Escyos View Post
    As much as I hate taking threads off topic (I really do) I am no longer going to talk about this here. You people seem unable to understand my point but instead try to control what I do. I will now only talk about this matter to those who run KTAM. The only way a KTAM Radio site article will show up on the wiki is if I am dead and someone inherits the site from me.
    Lol. I just saw this.

    You might want to either learn what a wiki is or change the name of your website, because it isn't a wiki.

    A wiki is a community effort to document something.

    If your website was a wiki, you would ask the community of said site their thoughts on the matter - if it truly is a collaborative effort, it is the consensus of the community that defines what is relevant to the wiki.

    Instead, you put your foot down and state, in no uncertain words, that you are the master of your own "wiki", with absolutely no implication that you even considered consulting your current "wiki"-community, nor any indication that you are the least bit interested in expanding the community of your "wiki" by considering the views of potential new members.

    I have no affiliation with K-Tam. I don't even listen to K-Tam.
    But as a wiki-contributor to several other game wikis (none of which fall under the wikia brand, just so we get that point out of the way), I find myself now quite pleased with my decision to refrain from ever looking into Defiance wikis.

    PS: If your replies here weren't all about you and your decisions about your wiki, you wouldn't have shown an egregious misunderstanding as to the purpose of a wiki, and I wouldn't have had to reply in this manner.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumeyes View Post
    Was some of that info meant for me? [Some yes but not all]You are missing my point. Take the argument to another thread.[This is a K-TAM Thread]

    The fact you might know more about the Defiance universe doesn't mean you have to inflate your EGO (pun intended) onto the forum. [I would like some proof of this. We promote the game, we promote the community and we are here to entertain as much as we are to provide a safe creative outlet for peoples thoughts and opinons. If this is EGO you need to find a new definition.] The Wiki guy doesnt wanna, the other guy is whining. Furthermore, I never dissed about K-TAM, but if you want to talk about what support of a game to a radiostation can do I can name the following examples:

    - contests with prizes (handed out by Trion for you to give away),
    - parties ingame where occasionally GM's or CM's show up for fun,
    - PVP-tournaments that are held periodically with Trion prizes where you are present to promote,
    - events that occur get promoted by you and vice versa on the forum by Trion that you guys are there live,
    - etc. etc. (now I must say usually the events are standard events like an anniversary but you get the idea)

    [I made a commitment at launch to never ask for a hand out from Trion/Defiance. Sledgehammer has a copy of that message. If they want to send us stuff to give away I would be happy to receive it. The only things I can find to give away as prizes that are not K-TAM related are Bit Cards and XBOX/PSN cards. However, the Bit cards are PC only and the XBOX/PSN are region locked and can only be used in the country purchased from which makes this a very unfair system to try and award people, not to mention they all have different values. K-TAM stuff is good, but it is also expensive because we can't afford the bulk orders and we have to ship as well so we don't do as many give a ways as I would like.

    I have even offered to send Dahanese, Trick and OverloadUT a K-TAM T-Shirt in appreciation a few times and it's been declined. It was our way of wanting to say thinks for coming on and supporting the community.

    Where should we hold these little parties? Did you know we tried to have one every Monday night at the Crater? Lasted about 3 weeks but people stopped trying because of the phasing/sharding it was a lot of effort to get people into the same phase in just one system, it never felt like a community event when people are over 3 systems in addition to no actual social thing to do. We all dance like self-conscious neck beards in game anyway with the shuffle clap dance of all mighty lameness.

    PvP Tournaments - You mean shadow wars? There really is no other PvP besides duels and the PvP maps. With no Clan Tags or way to join as a clan their are too many variables from random people to have an effective tournamt and keep track of everyone. We have had a great many conversations about this and other ideas, the game is just not conducive to what is normal to do in other games.

    I will admit if you are not on our Twitter you will not find updates of what is going on. Part of that is because we are a volunteer team and we do not use google ads or other advertising to give us the resources to design a better web site that is more user friendly to do all the great things we wish we could do on it. There is always room for improvement and we are working on them as we can. Right now it's getting more listeners to make it worth it. Notice how empty the forums have been lately? We see it too on our end at K-TAM]


    Don't get me wrong, this game is still new, you guys are volunteers, and again, you are doing a great job, but don't think Trion is working extremely hard to get the community in game. I meant support in a tad broader context. [Support in game as far as just hanging out out side of the Friday streams is non-existant. Never see forum posts or twitters about anyone just hopping on to do a siege or a few ark falls and hang out. Used to happen with Sledgehammer. But never since. I don't blame them either with a skeleton crew to manage all of the forums and getting ready for Arcage.]

    With an agenda on the site which shows interesting topics or planned shows, I might be able to tune in to get more info on Defiance, because I do like to know more about backstory, contests or other developments, but right now, yeah I don't. [Although we don't list everything, our front page does list when the Sam Skatch Show airs and that is our current primary "story line" show. Our A.I. does random shows as is her character and we are working on getting other shows and hosts on the air. Sundays and Mondays are our talk show days. Things announced on the forums quite often and via our Twitter feed and FB page. We are looking at ideas for a better calendar of events.]

    The guy is contributing in his own way. Who are you to act like a complete @ss to belittle him like that? [I defend his right to control what goes on his web site. I don't agree with him though and nor do I have to. How is that belittling him? But as a poster pointed out, the idea of a Wiki is to be a community effort. ]
    Oh and BTW. We hope to have Dahanese join us for a few minutes in a couple of weeks, keep listening for the details.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beck View Post
    Oh and BTW. We hope to have Dahanese join us for a few minutes in a couple of weeks, keep listening for the details.
    Your responses in red already show some weak points in the system to gather people, but I did meet up with clan members to do the clan pursuits, so it is not impossible (whether it is practical, yeah, that's debatable). And we lack a HUB in this game.

    I understand that you aren't asking for handouts from Trion, that's not your call to make. It was just to show how to throw some bait. How it happens in other MMO's is, you do the contest, you mail the winner to the CM, and he does the rest.

    Yeah, just live shows can be a tad lonely, thats not just in Defiance, so usually better to combine them with events like anniversaries, duel contests, clan happenings, RP stuff, like weddings (although thats RP I doubt you will see here).

    Again, I am not attacking K-tam as a radiostation, just posting stuff I regard as "normal" and that apparently there was some beef about (not) adding a link to w/e site on some w/e wikipage, and your later response sounded a bit like "drop dead" to me.

    Anyway, you disagree. It happens. Yeah, it's slow in Defiance, but I just pointed out that (community managers from) Trion can add to a community/game in more ways then just pushing content (which is a frequent topic) or giving a random interview.

    Having different platforms and different servers (NA/EU) doesn't make any easier.
    Signed off. See you with the next DLC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumeyes View Post
    Sounds good, but can you (whether or not you do that in conjunction with community media like K-TAM) communicate that on the forum or other ways (twitter or w/e).

    I am sure more people would be interested in joining contests or competitions for a lousy 5 bitcoin, where you guys are present, just for the hell of it.

    I do hope you aren't referring to the Friday Livestream Extravaganza and actually talking about contests that can spice up the RPG a bit?

    Let the Community Coordinator throw some ideas of what is possible within Defiance.
    Our official info will always happen here or on the blog (we also post stuff on Facebook and Twitter but cool contests will be on the blog for sure.) We're going to continue doing outreach with folks like Defiance Data, Defiance Reporter, and KTAM too - but not instead of or in lieu of official info!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rumeyes View Post
    I understand that you aren't asking for handouts from Trion, that's not your call to make. It was just to show how to throw some bait. How it happens in other MMO's is, you do the contest, you mail the winner to the CM, and he does the rest.
    I have never seen or heard of this ever, this would not happen. I would never do a contest and then expect Trion to award someone because of a contest someone else did. That is simply preposterous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beck View Post
    I have never seen or heard of this ever, this would not happen.. That is simply preposterous.
    Because something doesn't appear on your horizon doesn't mean it doesn't exist. The idea is that you do a contest with the support of Trion. Anyway it's just an example of how a CM or GM can work together with community media in a game. Being too busy with another game, now that's what I call preposterous. It's good you are holding the torch, but you shouldnt be doing that alone.

    I am looking forward to the ideas of the Community Coordinator.
    Signed off. See you with the next DLC.

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    If Trion wants to sponsor a contest they are welcome to. But this would never happen. Good idea though. Plus there is one glaring issue with this in addition to the obvious. They seem to only give out game codes. Likely anyone who is tuned in to K-TAM is already playing the game so giving away more copies of the game is really pointless.

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