How did the humans lose the war against the Votan?

[Dandrielas]

I am aware tactics are more important than weapons however how are they going to one hit kill a Hulker? To make quick strike viable agianst Defiance Earth humans they would need something powerful enough to kill a Hulker fast. I havent seen anything that can do that job, the Monalith is questinable at best if it could kill a Hulker in one strike. I have a feeling though outside game mechanics a Hulker is probably good at killing Monoliths, all they have to do is grab on to it and rip it apart it would be to close to fire it weapons.

The only reason a Hulker is hard to kill in the game is because of game mechanics. If they were basing it on real life, a .50 cal would do the job just fine against almost any thing.

[Punisher Illinois Blue]

If they did, I missed it, but the V don't really seem to be in charge of the anthill.

OTOH, the V had/have interstellar travel in a way we only have movies and TV shows about, so how could they not exterminate us?
Yeah, I understand everyone was trying to be all friendly, but when the shtako hit the air circulation device the V had the upper hand.

I still think that all that debris impacting Terra would be enough to irradiate everything, dust-cloud the atmosphere, and pretty well moot the global warming/cooling point.

I don't think it is a given that because they have FTLT that they would have better weapons. One thing that comes to mind is the Syphon weapons. I am sure humans made them based on what the EGO thing said to my character about those weapons. That they where out lawed because of their lethalness. It would be pointless to make a law to out law weapons your enemy is using on you when they dont even follow your laws.

[Punisher Illinois Blue]

The only reason a Hulker is hard to kill in the game is because of game mechanics. If they were basing it on real life, a .50 cal would do the job just fine against almost any thing.

We have to give it more credit than that. If hulkers where not very resistant to damage none of them would have survived the war because they are big targets.

[Dandrielas]

We have to give it more credit than that. If hulkers where not very resistant to damage none of them would have survived the war because they are big targets.

It has no armor equipped exposing it's flesh, it doesn't matter how hard you try to make flesh. At the end of the day, flesh is still pretty weak against almost anything. They probably survived it by going with other units. I am not saying they are not strong because one punch would break every bone, but a .50 cal can go through armor and concrete. It wouldn't stand a chance.

[Punisher Illinois Blue]

We're not told. Part of me wants to see this as a war game or board game scenario: 9 billion humans with po-tech weaponry versus several million Votans with vo-tech weaponry and unambiguous air superiority. My gut instinct is that having thousands of orbital weapons platforms in near-Earth orbit is a pretty overwhelming advantage. We'd have been reduced to slowing their advance by engaging in guerilla tactics, forcing them to leave more and more of their army behind, after they conquered each town or region, to try to weed out human hit-and-run squads. So they could shell any city or town into rubble, like the Allies did against Germany and occupied France, but then had the rough and time consuming fight to force the Axis out of the rubble.

Probably the best historical precedent, though, for how we would be losing so badly would have been the Ploesti raid, where the US sacrificed huge numbers of bombers (and crews) to take out the Axis' most important fuel refineries and fuel storage facilities. When the Normandy invasion happened, Axis forces had terrain advantage and numerical superiority, but their tanks and aircraft were out of gas which gave the Allies the mobility and artillery advantages. Given the Votans' ability to use orbital bombardment to take out food supplies, fuel supplies, weapons manufacturing, military training bases, etc., our numerical superiority and terrain advantage might not have counted for much.

I believe the Votan would have followed part of what you said BUT their are a few reasons why it cant. One is motive they wanted to exterminate the human race during the war. That being the case they would have just polverised the planet from orbit and not bothred with any sea air or land battle. If pulverization didnt work they could then use special delivery weapons filled with bio or chemical weapons and drop it all over the planet, we know from the show they used those type of weapons on humans. All that damage would be ok because they would fix it with their terraforming equipment, or just use terraforming equipment from the start.

Ether the Votan suck at space warfare tactics OR they didnt have any ships with weapons on them.

I dont know what you mean by PO tech but from what I heard in game Syphon weapons are pretty lethal to the point they are out lawed. Fire power wise I think humans had better weapons. If they made syphon weapons for tanks ships and fighters they would be a forced not to be messed with.

[Punisher Illinois Blue]

It has no armor equipped exposing it's flesh, it doesn't matter how hard you try to make flesh. At the end of the day, flesh is still pretty weak against almost anything. They probably survived it by going with other units. I am not saying they are not strong because one punch would break every bone, but a .50 cal can go through armor and concrete. It wouldn't stand a chance.

I think that is a missconception to think flesh equals weakness. Now I am not saying a Hulker is as tough as a Crusher Xenomorph, at least I hope it isnt, but it can take twinlinked 20 mm gattling cannons to the head and 20 Mega Electron Volt Partacle Beam cannons to the head. Just one Mega Electron Volt is equal to 2.6 tons of tnt to the power of -26.

I cant figure the force of impact because I dont know Velocity of the Partcle beam but energy it self is pretty high. If someone gave me a 50 to fight the Crusher Xenomorph, and I lived long enough, I would use it on the guy who gave it to me.

Here is the kicker this will make you laugh or freek out. Here goes, your prob thinking "well thats fine and dandy but Xenomorphs are not real." In theo quantom phys they teach you that the galaxy is so big that what ever we make up actully has a high chance of being real.

[Dandrielas]

I think that is a missconception to think flesh equals weakness. Now I am not saying a Hulker is as tough as a Crusher Xenomorph, at least I hope it isnt, but it can take twinlinked 20 mm gattling cannons to the head and 20 Mega Electron Volt Partacle Beam cannons to the head. Just one Mega Electron Volt is equal to 2.6 tons of tnt to the power of -26.

I cant figure the force of impact because I dont know Velocity of the Partcle beam but energy it self is pretty high. If someone gave me a 50 to fight the Crusher Xenomorph, and I lived long enough, I would use it on the guy who gave it to me.

Here is the kicker this will make you laugh or freek out. Here goes, your prob thinking "well thats fine and dandy but Xenomorphs are not real." In theo quantom phys they teach you that the galaxy is so big that what ever we make up actully has a high chance of being real.

Hmm. That is interesting indeed. I am might start fearing zombies now...

[carpesangrea]

The world server crashed and when it came back the votans ran around one-shotting everyone.

[Punisher Illinois Blue]

Hmm. That is interesting indeed. I am might start fearing zombies now...

Which type the new World War Z super hero like type zombies or the Dylon Dog Zombies?

[Punisher Illinois Blue]

The world server crashed and when it came back the votans ran around one-shotting everyone.

bug swithchers a.