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    Just how effective nukes would be against Alien orbiting ships?

    A lot people believe that if an alien ship or an asteroid or a comet comes our way we can simply pulverize it with our ICBMs Star Destroyer Style this is specially true in the thread debating who won the Pale wars. Most of the members of this whole board think that lofting ICBMs at the arks would destroy them but that is a complete misunderstanding of the physics at work. You see on Earth if a nuke detonates it creates a pressure wave in the Atmosphere and a fireball and the trademark mushroom cloud.in space which is for the most part an airless vacuum you would not get any of that all that the nuke would do is irradiate the ships with massive amounts of radiation and some people may think that would be enough to kill everyone inside the arks at least and it would be except for one small detail, anyone who is capable of interstellar travel would have to shield whatever ship or ships they use against radiation to begin with as space might be airless but it is filled with radiation from solar winds to cosmic radiation, so it would most likely not have any impact at all just FYI everyone.

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    While I am in no way an expert on nuclear weapons, I do know that the air blast is the most effective use for killing a lot of people. The cause of that air blast though is the incredible amount of energy released in a nuclear explosion. If that energy were released close to a ship it would vaporize the hull. Also the amount of radiation released would far exceed the ambient levels that their shields would be designed for unless they had planned to travel through a star.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mudturtle Jones View Post
    While I am in no way an expert on nuclear weapons, I do know that the air blast is the most effective use for killing a lot of people. The cause of that air blast though is the incredible amount of energy released in a nuclear explosion. If that energy were released close to a ship it would vaporize the hull. Also the amount of radiation released would far exceed the ambient levels that their shields would be designed for unless they had planned to travel through a star.
    Dude do you have any idea of what you are even talking about? Solar winds alone carry more radiation than any nuke we currently posses, same goes for cosmic radiation. What shields us from all that radiation is Earth's magnetic field and the Van Allen Radiation belt. without it we would all had been literally cooked into oblivion long ago.

    Anyway the point stands that nukes are virtually ineffective in space. We would have more luck hurling objects at those spaceships at very high velocities with rail guns or mass drivers to hurl asteroids to smash into them. In the show Babylon 5 I recall they hid 2 nukes inside asteroids to destroy a Minbari ship, when the nukes detonated the debris from both asteroids smashed into the cristalne armor rupturing the hull and virtually destroying the ship, but again you need something physical to hit the ships with.

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    I think that there would some amount of explosions if they hit the arks as there is air inside them, plus other combustible gases.

    At any rate we never fired no missiles at them, at least not any that cause significant damage, they blew up on their own accord.

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    While yes, there is a large amount of engery released, *MOST* of it is going to head off "harmlessly" into space. A good amount of the remainder will bounce (nothing forcing it to stay in the same area, like an atmosphere would) and some of the total will be absorbed by the ship...Which is designed to survive deep space and potential collisions at an appreciable fraction of the speed of light. Yes, there would be damage, but not as much as there would be if the same ship was hit in the same place by a nuke within the atmosphere.

    Difference between a fire cracker going off on top of a box, vs, it going off inside the box. First one will scorch the box, second has a good chance of blowing it apart. Same ship as above would likely be blown apart if detonated inside the vehicle.
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    Kinetic energy is kinetic energy, and nukes still give off a hell of a lot of it. While an atomic detonation in orbit wouldn't have nearly as much far-reaching devastating power as it would in atmosphere, anything near that nuke when it goes off is going to go boom. And even as durable as the arks are, they pretty much can't in any way, shape, or form, stand up to that kind of an energetic release, not without the Votans having a sufficient tech base that one of those giant walkers would have been enough to curbstomp any and all terrestrial armies.

    Whether that's what actually happened, well, that's another story. but if you initiate an atomic warhead near a ship's hull, that ship is going to get completely freaking obliterated.

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    Think Pusher Plate Propulsion - While not necessarily damaging a vehicle in orbit, the detonation should have a significant kinetic effect and at least throw the vehicle off it's intended course.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project...ear_propulsion)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_pulse_propulsion

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadowDragon8685 View Post
    Kinetic energy is kinetic energy, and nukes still give off a hell of a lot of it. While an atomic detonation in orbit wouldn't have nearly as much far-reaching devastating power as it would in atmosphere, anything near that nuke when it goes off is going to go boom. And even as durable as the arks are, they pretty much can't in any way, shape, or form, stand up to that kind of an energetic release, not without the Votans having a sufficient tech base that one of those giant walkers would have been enough to curbstomp any and all terrestrial armies.

    Whether that's what actually happened, well, that's another story. but if you initiate an atomic warhead near a ship's hull, that ship is going to get completely freaking obliterated.
    No it would not, in that fashion it would not even obliterate an asteroid or a comet, as Smitch pointed out with his eloquent firecracker and the box example. You would need to penetrate the hull of the ship before detonation otherwise all you would do if anything is scorch the hulll, nothing a good new paint job would not fix.

    And you are also barking off the wrong tree here as detonating nukes in space have nothing to do with Votan or any aliens for that matter military capability. For example the arks are obviously able to survive huge amounts of radiation in space but you land an Ark on Earth and detonate a nuke in atmosphere the pressure wave would certainly do a lot of damage to it if not wreck it completely.

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    To be honest, we don't have enough information about the Votan ships and what they were built to withstand. It is true however that they would suffer less damage outside an atmosphere than they would within, unless the nuke was on board the ship or penetrated the hull some how. Yes a nuke has a great big boom, but a ship built for *FIVE THOUSAND YEARS* of deep space travel may be able to ignore a single nuke. Plus these things are BIG. They look like they're a couple of kilometers in length. Also there are designs for ships that on paper work nicely that throw out and detonate nukes as a form of propulsion!

    A potentially bigger danger would be the EMP pulse generated, especially if the ship was a bit away from the detonation. The US has detonated a few nukes at a high (greater than 40km height) and one of them fried a LOT of equipment at surprisingly great distances. But again, not knowing a thing about Vot-tech, it may again be able to pretty much ignore these effects, seeing as the stars put out huge amounts of radiation that once outside of the earths protective magnetic bottle a ship would have to be able to protect against...
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    Actually, yeah I do have an idea of what I'm talking about. According to Wikipedia, a nuclear explosion puts out thermal radiation in the tens of millions of degrees. A ship in close proximity to that kind of heat would have its hull melted into slag and all its internal atmosphere evacuated.

    The radiation output from a nuke set off 250 miles up and 1500 miles away from Hawaii knocked out the island's electrical power and completely destroyed some telephone equipment. It also damaged the Telstar satelite and caused electrical problems in Australia.

    It caused an Aurora Borealis effect to happen over Hawaii that could be seen with the naked eye. The Aurora Borealis by the way is caused by the solar radiation you seem to think is so powerful but isn't powerful enough to cause the effect over Hawaii.

    There is a video on YouTube of a NASA computer projection of a nuke being used to destroy large asteroid on a heading to Earth.

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