Grenadier synergy got changed

[alienstookmybeer]

IIRC, Mad Bomber had the grenade refresh and doesn't anymore.

[Nilxain]

This change is just fine. that's what I'd assumed it would get changed to. Valentine could you check to see if they got around to changing the perks as well?

IDK man, after a kill is kind of silly IMO. Ideally you want to throw nades against as many targets as possible, so why would the bonuese/synergys give you bonuses for after your targets are dead? This isn't completely useless, but since they are looking at it, they may want to make something better.

[Overtkill21]

This...I...but...logic...

Screw it.

[Bonehead]

This...I...but...logic...

Screw it.

^^Took the words right out of my mouth.^^

[rebtattoo]

This...I...but...logic...

Screw it.

Didn't we pretty much predict this the other night?

[WhiteF8ng]

IDK man, after a kill is kind of silly IMO. Ideally you want to throw nades against as many targets as possible, so why would the bonuese/synergys give you bonuses for after your targets are dead? This isn't completely useless, but since they are looking at it, they may want to make something better.

But we'll also be able to throw a nade every 3 secs. Even in the worst in-game situations I'll probably kill at least one enemy before tossing one. Not really many options they had when you look at the incoming stims and spikes. Although I was hoping that they'd change it to EGO on explosive kill but that was entirely wishful thinking...

[Overtkill21]

Didn't we pretty much predict this the other night?

Yep, just was hoping for better. Grenade Capacity would've been cool.

[Nilxain]

But we'll also be able to throw a nade every 3 secs. Even in the worst in-game situations I'll probably kill at least one enemy before tossing one. Not really many options they had when you look at the incoming stims and spikes. Although I was hoping that they'd change it to EGO on explosive kill but that was entirely wishful thinking...

Doesn't really matter how often you can throw them if your targets have to be dead before you can benefit from the synergy. They have several better options, some of which players have listed here in the short time this thread has been open. I think they just got caught over extending a current bonus type which was already over extended as it is... example: 8% damage on your next shot after a kill (10sec) on an SMG/LMG/AR.

EGO would have also been a better idea.

[Nefarious]

It was bound to happen. With grenade recharge on kill with Explosive Weapons stacked with Mad Bomber was insane on top of the other perks that benefit explosives.

I would go to that Hellbug spawn area by Bug n Chug, round them all up and then turn around destroy them all within 3 seconds like a gaze of death. Just a fire wall of explosions.

It probably has to do with the up coming grenade change. Might not make sense now but with other changes coming along I assume it will.

Not bad if you shoot and kill someone with a gun with Grenader Synergy then the grenade you throw is 15% Stronger? I rather have that on my grenade when I throw it then have it charge faster.

[crasher]

IIRC, Mad Bomber had the grenade refresh and doesn't anymore.

"On an explosive kill, recharge your grenade and instantly reload part of your weapons clip."

Is what DefianceData says.

Same source:
Grenadier:

• [1]: -10% Recoil
• [2]: -20% Recoil
• [3]: +5% Grenade Refresh on kill
• [4]: +10% Grenade Refresh on kill