Rolls Overhaul Thread

[Whippersnapper]

The idea is to make the perfect weapon "rare." So if you trim stuff, it beco[B]mes easier to get that perfect weapon.

For Example:
An AR with Assassin synergy, double Crit Bonuses, maybe a mag or damage bonus. Then on top of that, it gets a Crit bonus when it's mastered. Or Sniper Rifle with the same syn, bonuses, & mastery.

With the current variables, it's hard to get the perfect weapon. This makes them rare.

Unless you want to talk about making certain bonuses and/or masteries rare and others more common? Or is it already like that?

[Nilxain]

The idea is to make the perfect weapon "rare." So if you trim stuff, it beco[B]mes easier to get that perfect weapon.

For Example:
An AR with Assassin synergy, double Crit Bonuses, maybe a mag or damage bonus. Then on top of that, it gets a Crit bonus when it's mastered. Or Sniper Rifle with the same syn, bonuses, & mastery.

With the current variables, it's hard to get the perfect weapon. This makes them rare.

Unless you want to talk about making certain bonuses and/or masteries rare and others more common? Or is it already like that?

Yeah, I'm on board with that philosophy, my only problem is it's too rare. And, since we have 5 loadouts, presumably it will still take a long time (more than a person's lifetime) for people to fill them all with all of the exact weapons they want.

It's a balancing act though; too common and your turnover gets higher, too rare and people just don't care enough - so they settle.

I think that if they trim the fat they still won't fall into the "too common" category, because they are way over the deep end with rarity atm. I would be even fine with them holding the weapon recombination as a matrix option that opens at EGO 5000. (Or maybe even recombine: white @ 1000, green @ 2000, purple @ 3000, orange @ 4000, and synergies and masteries at 5000.)

*BTW, atm, all bonuses are equally balanced in chance - but I do think there are some options in this area too.

[Nilxain]

Combat Shotguns

Bonuses(5wgbo, 3p)

(white,green,blue,orange)
Reload
Mag
Fire rate
Accuracy
Dmg

(purple)
25% Stowed Weapon Clip Reloaded on Kill
25% of Clip Reloaded on Melee Kill
15% grenade DMG to targets below 50% health

Masteries(5)

ammo on melee kill
dmg from last shot in mag
damage on next shot after kill
less dmg while reloading
ego recharge on full reload

Synergies @ the end


Pump Shotguns

Bonuses(5wgbo, 3p)

(white,green,blue,orange)
Reload
Mag
Fire rate
Accuracy
Dmg

(purple)
25% Stowed Weapon Clip Reloaded on Kill
25% of Clip Reloaded on Melee Kill
15% grenade DMG to targets below 50% health

Masteries(5)

Dmg
ammo on melee kill
dmg from last shot in mag
damage on next shot after kill
less dmg while reloading

Synergies @ the end

Sawed-off Shotguns

bonuses(5wgbo, 3p)

(white,green,blue,orange)
Reload
Dmg
Mag
Accuracy
Melee dmg

(purple)
10% EGO Power Recharge on Full Reload
15% grenade DMG to targets below 50% health
25% of Clip Reloaded on Melee Kill

Masteries(5)

ammo on melee kill
dmg from last shot in mag
damage on next shot after kill
less dmg while reloading
ego recharge on full reload

Synergies((4+2)+1)

Synergy: Grenadier
[1] +2% Damage
[2] +4% Damage
[3] +5% grenade damage to targets below 50% health
[4] +10% grenade damage to targets below 50% health

Synergy: Rolling Thunder
[1] +10% Mag
[2] +20% Mag
[3] -10% Accuracy (no "hip")
[4] -20% Accuracy (no "hip")

Synergy: Quartermaster
[1] +5% Reload
[2] +10% Reload
[3] +10% explosive damage for 5 sec. after full reload
[4] +20% explosive damage for 5 sec. after full reload

Synergy: Brutal (shotguns, chargeblades (wishful thinking), RLs, Dets, and infectors - I think RLs, Dets, and infectors should get a BIG base melee dmg increase - make it so you want to get a melee in as you run out of bullets)
[1] +5% Melee DMG
[2] +10% Melee DMG
[3] +50% Reload on Melee Kill
[4] +100% Reload on Melee Kill

These are the +2

Synergy: Speed Junky
[1] +10% Reload
[2] +20% reload
[3] +10% speed for 5 sec. after the last shot in the mag
[4] +20% speed for 5 sec. after the last shot in the mag

Synergy: Juggernaut
[1] -3% dmg taken after a kill
[2] -6% dmg taken after a kill
[3] Reload 25% of your mag on kill (30 sec. CD)
[4] Reload 50% of your mag on kill (30 sec. CD)

This is the last +1. If completely new synergies aren't an option then Cannoneer would be for pump and combat, and Sawed-off would still need one

Synergy: Cannoneer (AR/LMG/SMG, pistols, Pump and combat shotguns)
[1] +3% Fire Rate
[2] +6% Fire Rate
[3] +10% nano-effect chance for 2 sec after full reload
[4] +20% nano-effect chance for 2 sec after full reload

**Synergies may need 1 more to replace Cannoneer in total or to add a 5th for Sawed-offs.**

[Nilxain]

Rocket Launchers

Bonuses(5+1wgbo, 3p)

(white,green,blue,orange)
Reload
Mag
Dmg
Full dmg radius
Crit mult

(this is the +1, if this were in place I would suggest dropping dmg, because full dmg radius is better generally speaking, and this would make for consistency and identity)
Melee dmg (w/ caveat under brutal synergy)

(purple)
10% EGO Power Recharge on Full Reload
25% Speed Boost for 5 Seconds After Explosive Kill
15% grenade DMG to targets below 50% health

Masteries(5)

ego recharge on full reload
speed boost after reload
ego refresh on explosive kill
health on reload
dmg from last shot in mag

synergies @ the end

Detonators

Bonuses(5+1wgbo, 3p)

(white,green,blue,orange)
Reload
Mag
Dmg
Full dmg radius
Crit mult

(this is the +1, if this were in place I would suggest dropping dmg, because full dmg radius is better generally speaking, and this would make for consistency and identity)
Melee dmg (w/ caveat under brutal synergy)

(purple)
10% EGO Power Recharge on Full Reload
25% Speed Boost for 5 Seconds After Explosive Kill
15% grenade DMG to targets below 50% health

Masteries(5)

ego recharge on full reload
speed boost after reload
ego refresh on explosive kill
dmg from last shot in mag
health on reload


Synergies((3+2)+1)

Synergy: Grenadier
[1] +2% Damage
[2] +4% Damage
[3] +5% grenade damage to targets below 50% health
[4] +10% grenade damage to targets below 50% health

Synergy: Quartermaster
[1] +5% Reload
[2] +10% Reload
[3] +10% explosive damage for 5 sec. after full reload
[4] +20% explosive damage for 5 sec. after full reload

Synergy: Brutal (shotguns, chargeblades (wishful thinking), RLs, Dets, and infectors – I think RLs, Dets, and infectors should get a BIG base melee dmg increase - make it so you want to get a melee in as you run out of bullets)
[1] +5% Melee DMG
[2] +10% Melee DMG
[3] +50% Reload on Melee Kill
[4] +100% Reload on Melee Kill

These are the +2, they are completely new synergies.

Synergy: Speed Junky
[1] +10% Reload
[2] +20% reload
[3] +10% speed for 5 sec. after the last shot in the mag
[4] +20% speed for 5 sec. after the last shot in the mag

Synergy: Juggernaut
[1] -3% dmg taken after a kill
[2] -6% dmg taken after a kill
[3] Reload 25% of your mag on kill (30 sec. CD)
[4] Reload 50% of your mag on kill (30 sec. CD)


This is the +1 in case 2 new synergies are not an option - 1 more would still be needed if this were the case.

Synergy: Stalker (all but BMG)
[1] +5% Range
[2] +10% Range
[3] +5% EGO ability refresh on critical kill
[4] +10% EGO ability refresh on critical kill

**these may need 2 new and more appealing synergies, one to replace stalker, and one to make it 5**

[Nilxain]

Bolt Action Sniper rifles

Bonuses(5wgbo, 3p)

(white,green,blue,orange)
Crit mult
Reload
Dmg
Mag
Fire rate (increments: x1.15, x1.25, x1.35, x1.45)

(purple)
10% EGO Power Recharge on Critical Kill
25% Stowed Weapon Clip Reloaded on Kill
10% EGO Power Recharge on Full Reload

Masteries(5)

ego duration on crit kill
damage on next shot after kill
crit % while crouched
speed boost on last shot in mag (added)
15% DMG on next grenade after a kill (expires after 10 sec.) (stolen from Bonuses)

Synergies @ the end

Semi-Auto Sniper Rifles

Bonuses(5wgbo, 3p)

(white,green,blue,orange)
Crit mult
Reload
Dmg
Mag
recoil

(purple)
10% EGO Power Recharge on Critical Kill
25% Stowed Weapon Clip Reloaded on Kill
10% EGO Power Recharge on Full Reload

Masteries(5)

ego duration on crit kill
damage on next shot after kill
crit % while crouched
speed boost on last shot in mag (added)
15% DMG on next grenade after a kill (expires after 10 sec.) (stolen from Bonuses)

[/b]Synergies[/b](5+2)

Synergy: Assassin (all but BMG)
[1]: +2% Crit Mult
[2]: +4% Crit Mult
[3]: +5% DMG for the next 10 sec after a critical kill
[4]: +10% DMG for the next 10 sec after a critical kill

Synergy: Grenadier (all but BMG)
[1] +2% Damage
[2] +4% Damage
[3] +5% grenade damage to targets below 50% health
[4] +10% grenade damage to targets below 50% health

Synergy: Stalker (all but BMG)
[1] +5% Range
[2] +10% Range
[3] +5% EGO ability refresh on critical kill
[4] +10% EGO ability refresh on critical kill

Synergy: Speed Junky
[1] +10% Reload
[2] +20% reload
[3] +10% speed for 5 sec. after the last shot in the mag
[4] +20% speed for 5 sec. after the last shot in the mag

Synergy: Occam's Razor
[1] +2% Damage
[2] +4% Damage
[3] 10% Reload
[4] 20% Relaod


These are the +2, they are synergy reworks if completely new synergies aren't an option (I like these much less than my new ones :-P)

Synergy: Run-n-Gun
[1] -10% Recoil
[2] -20% Recoil
[3] -10% Accuracy and -5% Movement Accuracy
[4] -20% Accuracy and -10% Movement Accuracy

Synergy: Rolling Thunder
[1] +10% Mag
[2] +20% Mag
[3] -10% Accuracy (no Hip)
[4] -20% Accuracy (no Hip)

** I feel like the sniper synergies are lacking, it was tough to put 5 together, and I don’t really like all the ones I placed. I’ll continue to think more about how to tune synergies to better fit snipers; maybe they need their own synergies, maybe accuracy could increase zoom in addition to it's current effect?... **

[Nilxain]

Pistols

Bonuses(5+3wgbo, 3p)

(white,green,blue,orange)
Crit mult
Dmg
Mag
Fire rate
Falloff (added)

(the +3 not too bad, but remove for identity IMO)
Reload
Recoil
Accuracy

(purple)
10% EGO Power Recharge on Full Reload
10% EGO Power Recharge on Critical Kill
15% grenade DMG to targets below 50% health

Masteries

ego duration on crit kill
ego recharge on full reload
crit % to incoming targets
crit % from hip
speed boost on last shot in mag (added)

synergies

Synergy: Assassin (all but BMG)
[1]: +2% Crit Mult
[2]: +4% Crit Mult
[3]: +5% DMG for the next 10 sec after a critical kill
[4]: +10% DMG for the next 10 sec after a critical kill

Synergy: Grenadier (all but BMG)
[1] +2% Damage
[2] +4% Damage
[3] +5% grenade damage to targets below 50% health
[4] +10% grenade damage to targets below 50% health

Synergy: Rolling Thunder (all but BMG, Infector, det, RL)
[1] +10% Mag
[2] +20% Mag
[3] -10% Accuracy (no "hip")
[4] -20% Accuracy

Synergy: Stalker (all but BMG)
[1] +5% Range
[2] +10% Range
[3] +5% EGO ability refresh on critical kill
[4] +10% EGO ability refresh on critical kill

Synergy: Run-n-Gun
[1] -10% Recoil
[2] -20% Recoil
[3] -10% Accuracy and -5% Movement Accuracy
[4] -20% Accuracy and -10% Movement Accuracy

**I did not add several synergies in order to keep the number at 5. I think this is a good idea, and should be used to give different weapons different identities through this method**

[Nilxain]

BMGs

**I don’t use these anymore because they are uninteresting and all individuality has been strangled from them so that only a shadow of their potential exists. Because of this, I’m going to go off the rails here and try to fix that from the ground up - while also trying to add the necessary synergies for the other weapons that lack 5 interesting options.**


Bonuses(4+1wgbo, 3p)

(white,green,blue,orange)
Charge
Healing
Dmg
Recharge

(these two are the +1, one fer tele-spanner and one for the rest)
Max links (except tele-spanner)
Range (only tele-spanner)

(purple)
+400% dmg and -80% healing
+50% healing and -50% dmg
50% Charge for 5 sec. after full reload


Masteries(5)

Damage and healing ticks 20% faster
less dmg while reloading
speed boost after reload
health on reload
ego recharge on full reload



Synergies(5)

Synergy: Speed Junky (bmg, sawed-off, RL, DET, infector, bolt, semi)
[1] +10% Reload
[2] +20% reload
[3] +10% speed for 5 sec. after the last shot in the mag
[4] +20% speed for 5 sec. after the last shot in the mag

Synergy: Juggernaut (bmg, shotguns, RL, DET)
[1] -3% dmg taken after a kill
[2] -6% dmg taken after a kill
[3] Reload 25% of your mag on kill (30 sec. CD)
[4] Reload 50% of your mag on kill (30 sec. CD)

Synergy: Gonna Have Me Some Fun (BMGs and infectors)
[1] +10% fire rate (such that it counts for ticks)
[2] +20% fire rate (such that it counts for ticks)
[3] +10% Grenade damage while your shield is down
[4] +20% Grenade damage while your shield is down

Synergy: Votan-Tech (BMG)
[1] +5 % Charge
[2] +10% Charge
[3] +10% Range
[4] +32% Range

Synergy: Occam's Razor (BMG and snipes)
[1] +2% Damage
[2] +4% Damage
[3] +10% Reload
[4] +20% Reload

*I have not yet theory-crafted these new synergies, but I think they are within the realm of possibility**

[Nilxain]

Infectors

Bonuses(5+1wgbo, 3p)

(white,green,blue,orange)
Reload
Dmg (this should be made to work - if not do fire rate)
Bug damage (stolen from purple)
Range (added – meant to include homing range)
+1 bug (added)

(this is the +1, if this were in place I would suggest dropping dmg, because +1 bug would make for consistency and identity)
Melee dmg (w/ caveat under brutal synergy)

*Edit: Fire rate could replace DMG (which may even be better).

(purple)
10% EGO Power Recharge on Full Reload
10% Bug Damage 3 Seconds After Shield Refresh
15% grenade DMG to targets below 50% health

Masteries(5)

less dmg while reloading
speed boost after reload
ego recharge on full reload
Range (added – meant to include homing range)
bug dmg

Synergies((3+2)+1)

Synergy: Grenadier
[1] +2% Damage
[2] +4% Damage
[3] +5% grenade damage to targets below 50% health
[4] +10% grenade damage to targets below 50% health

Synergy: Quartermaster
[1] +5% Reload
[2] +10% Reload
[3] +10% explosive damage for 5 sec. after full reload
[4] +20% explosive damage for 5 sec. after full reload

Synergy: Brutal (shotguns, chargeblades (wishful thinking), RLs, Dets, and infectors – I think RLs, Dets, and infectors should get a BIG base melee dmg increase - make it so you want to get a melee in as you run out of bullets)
[1] +5% Melee DMG
[2] +10% Melee DMG
[3] +50% Reload on Melee Kill
[4] +100% Reload on Melee Kill

These are the +2, they are completely new synergies.

Synergy: Speed Junky
[1] +10% Reload
[2] +20% reload
[3] +10% speed for 5 sec. after the last shot in the mag
[4] +20% speed for 5 sec. after the last shot in the mag

Synergy: Gonna Have Me Some Fun (BMGs and infectors)
[1] +10% fire rate (such that it counts for ticks)
[2] +20% fire rate (such that it counts for ticks)
[3] +10% Grenade damage while your shield is down
[4] +20% Grenade damage while your shield is down

This is the +1 in case 2 new synergies are not an option - 1 more would still be needed if this were the case.

Synergy: Stalker (all but BMG)
[1] +5% Range
[2] +10% Range
[3] +5% EGO ability refresh on critical kill
[4] +10% EGO ability refresh on critical kill

**these may need 2 new and more appealing synergies, one to replace stalker, and one to make it 5**

[Dar Katan]

Wow, very well thought through. So much information!

[Nilxain]

Proposed Changes Summary

Ok, there’s my first pass on the changes that I think should be made to weapon rolls in order to bring the insanity under control - while making the options better/more interesting for the weapons that they can appear on.

Each weapon now has:

5 Basic bonuses
3 Purple Bonuses
5 masteries
5 synergies

I updated several current synergies in an attempt to make them better for the guns they go on:

Assassin
Grenadier
Rolling Thunder
Quartermaster
Brutal

I also added 5 new synergies to fix the options problem for; shotguns, snipes, BMGs, Infectors, detonators, and Rocket Launchers:

Speed Junky (bmg,sawed-off,RL,DET,infector,bolt,semi)
Juggernaut (bmg, sawed-off, RL, DET)
Gonna Have Me Some Fun (BMGs and infectors)
Votan-Tech (BMG)
Occam's Razor (BMG and snipes)

And, I proposed that you guys disperse all Loadout synergies to different rep vendors, then make them less of an investment than the vendor's mod synergies. While also making:

• All vendor synergies stay confined to the appropriate rep. vendor
• Remove the vendor synergy mods from the random pool and make them a rep. purchase only
• Give the vendor a random window that only yields random weapons of its synergy
• Give the vendor a orange version of each of that vendors weapon, obtainable at high rep.

In addition to these changes I think we should get a EGO based “recombine” option that allows us to change the bonuses on our weapons, provided we have another weapon, with the bonus we need, to take it from. I proposed the EGO Tiers might look something like this:

white @ 1000
green @ 2000
purple @ 3000
orange @ 4000
synergies and masteries @ 5000.


Fix the rolls please /beg.