Banned ?

[TAG]

Yeah that's cool. But if you ever done anything "bad" yourself then don't deny it or try to spin it. Own up to it. Seems like the trend with this who EL Dealer thing is that the exploiters caught are blaming Trion. They should blame themselves.

I should blame myself for all these faulty game mechanics too right?

[BJWyler]

Those perma-ban games must be run by North Korea or something. Damn.

But why did you not sell anything (i.e., use the exploit) to the EL vendor? Did you know something was immediately wrong? Was it obvious? Or maybe you just didn't try to sell anything to the EL vendor?

It never occurred to me to try to sell anything to him - I didn't need to, and since it was a short spawn time anyway, it didn't seem important enough to try. It was much easier just to sell all the stuff I farmed to the perma-vendors. It took me long enough to finally find one of them when they spawned, so I was just happy to be able to finally see the inventory and buy some stuff from him.

[The Lemur God]

I disagree. Because, above all, one must play a game with common sense, and there are many examples throughout the years of game devs doing this very thing - the punishments are nothing new, nor are the excuses used by those who were caught.

Sorry, but the only thing on Trion was implementing a feature with a bug. However, in my 30+ years of playing games (and making a couple homebrews myself), that is SOP in the world of coding and software. What is also SOP is the punishment of players that take advantage of an obvious exploit - that is on the players. As a player, it is our responsibility to report a glitch/bug when we find it, and then NOT CONTINUE TO USE SAID EXPLOIT.

When you find a $20 bill on the ground, and have no idea who it belongs to, then it's finders keepers. However, when you see a trail of $20 bills and they lead up to an armored car, but you still take them and do not say anything - expect to be punished when you are caught.

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Nope over a million though. I never denied buying and selling the shield. This was a charity event. How am I supposed to know you cant sell your items to a vendor?
The first clue is that it is a vendor that pays full retail (or more) when you sell something to him. No other vendor in the game does that - heck no other vendor in any game I have ever played has ever done that.

The second clue - this "feature" was not touted as being part of the vendor in any mention of the vendor by Trion. The vendor was put in place to allow us to buy unique Extra Life themed items with unique stats. Nothing more nothing less.

Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out something is not quite right. Therefore, common sense would dictate that the issue be reported to Trion and wait for confirmation on whether this is a bug or intended. Appears to me that most players took this option, and therefore were not punished because they didn't exploit the game.

You keep saying caught as though we have done something wrong. When I sign in to play a game and there is a vendor that is buying my stuff I already have for a great price then I am doing NOTHING WRONG I dont care who you are, common sense or no sense, if you get a better offer for something then you go with it. I didnt get CAUGHT doing anything, I didnt sneak around and steal or cheat. I sold an item I had to the vendor. If that is wrong then everyone should be on a 365 day ban. I sold my items in my inventory and sold it. Items that I got out of the vendor and had no correlation with the life vendor. There are a lot of things that common sense would tell you should be the case in regards to the game but if people stopped playing everytime there was something that was a little off like buying 30 tier 4 boxes and getting greens and blues (pre patch) then people would have stopped playing a long time ago. No one gets paid to notice things wrong with the game because more times than not when a complaint is filed Trion does NOTHING about it. It took them almost 6 months to make Tier 4 boxes drop reasonable items of a minimum rarity and everyone *****ed the whole time. We take what they give us. Its been like that since day 1. I am not justifying the buying and selling of the shield. I am justifying the selling of my hard earned items for a fair price. No matter the person or the amount of *** kissing they want to do being punished for doing something legal is BS and anyone who disagrees is just full of it. Punish those who bought and sold the shield but not those who farmed, busted ***, got lucky getting legendary weapons, and sold it to the vendor only to lose both the money and the weapon.

[The Lemur God]

It never occurred to me to try to sell anything to him - I didn't need to, and since it was a short spawn time anyway, it didn't seem important enough to try. It was much easier just to sell all the stuff I farmed to the perma-vendors. It took me long enough to finally find one of them when they spawned, so I was just happy to be able to finally see the inventory and buy some stuff from him.

Wouldnt it be the opposite? Didnt it occur to you that there was a reason that the EL Vendor only showed up every 6 hours? I guess everyone is different but to make a big deal about a regular vendor appearing every 6 hours is just stupid. You can only have so much need for the same 13 items that cant be traded. If anything when someone saw the great sell prices for your items it would make perfect sense why it showed up only every 6 hours.....I know im not the only one who sees that.

[Bonehead]

Give me your stuff.

Oh Maannnnn,
I NEVER get ANYBODYS stuff

[BJWyler]

You keep saying caught as though we have done something wrong. When I sign in to play a game and there is a vendor that is buying my stuff I already have for a great price then I am doing NOTHING WRONG

You may think you are doing nothing wrong, but what you are doing wrong is not asking the question of why this vendor's pricing is different than every other vendor's pricing in the game. And if that was intended why it was never mentioned once in all the times the vendor was mentioned before and during the marathon. And if you are a long time gamer, why this vendor is different than the norm of vendor's in any game. Again, acting in ignorance is not an excuse to avoid punishment.

I dont care who you are, common sense or no sense, if you get a better offer for something then you go with it. I didnt get CAUGHT doing anything, I didnt sneak around and steal or cheat. I sold an item I had to the vendor. If that is wrong then everyone should be on a 365 day ban.

Sorry, but no. There are plenty of more people in the game who did not use the exploit, either knowingly (when they heard about it from other people) or unknowingly (when they saw the vendor prices themselves, but knew of nothing else). We have also heard from people that did sell some things to the vendor, but were not punished. So obviously, those that were punished took the act to an extreme enough level to warrant the punishment.

I am justifying the selling of my hard earned items for a fair price. No matter the person or the amount of *** kissing they want to do being punished for doing something legal is BS and anyone who disagrees is just full of it. Punish those who bought and sold the shield but not those who farmed, busted ***, got lucky getting legendary weapons, and sold it to the vendor only to lose both the money and the weapon.

But it wasn't a fair price. A fair price is what the other vendors pay for those items. Again, many people used that vendor and the red flags went up for them. They have not been punished because they didn't use the exploit. They reported the issue and moved on - they didn't have to stop playing the game. They simply had to not make use of something that was clearly acting in a fishy manner.

[BJWyler]

Wouldnt it be the opposite? Didnt it occur to you that there was a reason that the EL Vendor only showed up every 6 hours? I guess everyone is different but to make a big deal about a regular vendor appearing every 6 hours is just stupid. You can only have so much need for the same 13 items that cant be traded. If anything when someone saw the great sell prices for your items it would make perfect sense why it showed up only every 6 hours.....I know im not the only one who sees that.

He wasn't a regular vendor - he sold items with unique stats and Extra Life themed names. For me, that was enough to warrant a hide and seek mechanic for the vendor. To me, if the vendor was going to offer resale prices better than that of every other vendor, Trick, Liz, and Greg would have been sure to have mentioned that along with his unique items. They didn't, so had I noticed those prices, the red flags would have gone up for me immediately - as they did for many other people.

[Bonehead]

The old adage would apply if people were doing something the game did not provide as a resource. To be ignorant of something it has to exist in the first place. No where is it written that its against Defiance law to sell an item in a vendor no matter how much it pays for it. There are different vendors throughout that sell for different prices. In this case there was finally a vendor that paid what the game put as the value in the top right corner instead of only a fraction. The game put the vendor in. It was given to us not made by us, there was no law here. Every example you listed has one thing in common, a law. Trion never said "hey everyone we are going to make a vendor that sells for what we put is the value of your weapon in your inventory and you are not allowed to use it or its against the law" and us being ignorant didnt know. Sorry but your argument here is false. This is a totally different case. When i speed there are speed limits posted and i choose to break the law and risk getting caught. Whats next, I pull three legendary weapons from the IDR lock box and now im in violation of the game mechanics because its supposed to only give me one? BS.

Too cute by well over half.
Exploit is as exploit does.
You did the crime, now do the time.

[Overtkill21]

We have an intelligent person who gets it. You get a cookie!

There is no excuse to gitch falls. None. All someone does when they do it is completely screw everyone else out of the possible experience, skills, healing, and leveling by speeding up the process, and taking away other's chances to participate.

It is an entirely selfish act, committed by someone completely inconsiderate of anyone beyond themselves. Period.

I play on PS3 and when others glitch arkfall crystals it frequently causes me to disconnect, and since I am playing solo due to zero of my clan playing anymore, I am SOL.

So I have nothing but disdain for crystal glitchers...

Side Note - I sold some of my old stuff to the EL vendor, and bought 3 Syphon items once (Tachyon - cuz it was weird, the Machine Gun and the Combat Shotty) - haven't had any scrip taken from me, nor was I banned.

[Bonehead]

Wouldnt it be the opposite? Didnt it occur to you that there was a reason that the EL Vendor only showed up every 6 hours? I guess everyone is different but to make a big deal about a regular vendor appearing every 6 hours is just stupid. You can only have so much need for the same 13 items that cant be traded. If anything when someone saw the great sell prices for your items it would make perfect sense why it showed up only every 6 hours.....I know im not the only one who sees that.

Every one who got banned saw it that way.