Banned ?

[Bonehead]

I think that there are a couple factors to consider with this whole thing. I totally agree that if there is a violation of terms or or an "exploit of game mechanics" and there needs to be a ban or removal of gains then so be it. However, it should be just the "gains" of doing the exploit. I dont think its fair to punish someone for selling their items to the vendor that they farmed and acquired legitimately without any sort of exploit. When someone sells 25 legendary weapons (which they clearly did not exploit to get) that they busted their *** and spent a lot of their own money (bits, in game scrip, etc.) to a vendor provided by the game then there should be no penalty for that. To take all money away is ridiculous. We are not at fault when someone went to clear space in their inventory to purchase extra life special edition weapons and sold to a vendor provided by the game. The shield glitch buying and selling over and over again one could definitely say that is cheating, but what happens to those who earned the weapons sold to the vendor? How is that fair? The money taken from people should only be what was gained by buying and selling the shield. The players are not totally at fault here. We didnt make the glitch that made the vendor buy our hard earned items at top dollar. The blame should be shared and as a result we should have only the money that was gained by the shield buying and selling taken away and they should take the time to calculate the correct amount of money that should have been given for the sales of our inventory to the vendor. If they dont want to take the time to do that then they need to figure out a happy medium. But to get penalized double is not the answer or is it fair. This was all Trion's fault if we sold our hard earned items to a vendor made by them. One could easily think that since the vendor only showed up every six hours that they glitch was not a glitch but in fact a chance to earn some extra money. Who needs to see the same vendor with the same weapons every six hours when a person could buy everything in the vendor in 2 mins? Poorly handled Trion. There are better ways to punish the cheaters without having to screw everyone of their hard items. If they are so worried about having people held accountable then they need to invest the hours and hours necessary to make everything right or dont do it at all.

So just to be clear, you did use the glitch right?

[rebtattoo]

I had mine removed and thats why im so upset. I also know of a lot of people who did the exploit and nothing happened to them. there is no balance. No matter if they did the exploit or not it shouldnt affect those things sold to the vendor that you didnt buy from the vendor and me along with others all had that happen. those who did the bought and sold the shield its fair to take away the money they acquired that way but thats it. This type of exploit of game mechanics should not be that severe considering it was something that trion did and not something that we randomly made happen or hacked to make happen. They screwed up and we used their screw up. Because it was not what they intended should not warrant such a hefty punishment. When someone sells something and it incorrectly priced it goes to the customer....if it took them a while to realize they were all priced incorrectly it is not the consumer's fault. Plain and simple. They should have caught it sooner "customer's always right" and yes I work in retail and know all about price screw ups and i work for a company that stands behind their word 100%. If price changes arent done and the price goes up on something and is advertised at a lower price then we take care of it. This is the same situation, the difference is we would have caught it sooner and trion should have too. No company takes back the item and makes the customer pay more....and thats whats going on here.

You're wrong on many levels here. Per example; Banks, Airlines, Credit card companies.

A lot of "businesses" will not honor things if the mistake was large enough. If you see an ad for an airline ticket from BFE Nebraska to Tokyo Japan for $59 and buy it, I can guarantee that when the airline catches the mistake, they will not honor the ticket. It's been proven in the recent past.

I'm not even going to touch the "customers always right" spiel.

My 2 cents

[Irondiesel58]

So im on a 24 hour ban for exploitation of the game ( which is a joke cause that's on TRion ), ive been playing GTA and wondering to myself why I even still play this game. Its a very well designd game but Trions a horrible company. Im tired of not being updated on anything and yeah I did the extra life vendor but so did the thousands of others who realized about it. Ive told them if I didn't get unbanned I would be done with the game and they said didn't. Im giving this game ONE more chance and if the 3 mill I had before the stupid vendor thing came up is missing. I WILL BE OFFICIALLY DONE WITH THIS GAME. Please put your input

I would of liked to see them just delete any money made on your account in that time frame. There must be more to this and if I were you I'd give them a call. Don't write them off without at least giving them a call. You bought the game and you did not hack the game so you did not violate any terms so they must let you continue to play unless their are other issues.

[The Lemur God]

You're wrong on many levels here. Per example; Banks, Airlines, Credit card companies.

A lot of "businesses" will not honor things if the mistake was large enough. If you see an ad for an airline ticket from BFE Nebraska to Tokyo Japan for $59 and buy it, I can guarantee that when the airline catches the mistake, they will not honor the ticket. It's been proven in the recent past.

I'm not even going to touch the "customers always right" spiel.

My 2 cents

Thats the difference between those companies that get repeat customers and continue having business and those who dont. Hence why i said WE take care of it and WE are thriving when other companies are not. Those who screw the customers are the ones who dont do well. Not everyone is honorable and as a result they get crappy reviews and a bad rep and thats why they dont succeed. They SHOULD but dont.

[Bonehead]

Thats the difference between those companies that get repeat customers and continue having business and those who dont. Hence why i said WE take care of it and WE are thriving when other companies are not. Those who screw the customers are the ones who dont do well. Not everyone is honorable and as a result they get crappy reviews and a bad rep and thats why they dont succeed. They SHOULD but dont.

Just to be clear and honest, you did use the glitch right?

[The Lemur God]

You're wrong on many levels here. Per example; Banks, Airlines, Credit card companies.

A lot of "businesses" will not honor things if the mistake was large enough. If you see an ad for an airline ticket from BFE Nebraska to Tokyo Japan for $59 and buy it, I can guarantee that when the airline catches the mistake, they will not honor the ticket. It's been proven in the recent past.

I'm not even going to touch the "customers always right" spiel.

My 2 cents

Im wrong for people like you that think its right to get screwed and not have any recourse. Once something is advertised as something then that it should be honored. Once payment is received then service is expected. if they want to advertise something at that price then its their fault for not catching it. they have no one to blame but themselves. Whos fault is it if they price was given by those giving the service? Im right because i was promised something at a price and i should have gotten it. Thats called good business practice. Credit card companies, airlines, etc may not give you 100% satisfaction but they dont charge you a fee for their screw up. thats common sense. Clearly you would never succeed in business.

[Bonehead]

Im wrong for people like you that think its right to get screwed and not have any recourse. Once something is advertised as something then that it should be honored. Once payment is received then service is expected. if they want to advertise something at that price then its their fault for not catching it. they have no one to blame but themselves. Whos fault is it if they price was given by those giving the service? Im right because i was promised something at a price and i should have gotten it. Thats called good business practice. Credit card companies, airlines, etc may not give you 100% satisfaction but they dont charge you a fee for their screw up. thats common sense. Clearly you would never succeed in business.

Okay point understood but you did use the glitch right?

[Bonehead]

sooooooo...
is that a yes?

[TriGlav 2000]

Maybe OP sold another 10 items, so legendaries got deleted, which equals insta cry.

[BJWyler]

I had mine removed and thats why im so upset. I also know of a lot of people who did the exploit and nothing happened to them. there is no balance.

Selling items to the vendor is not using the exploit as that shows no intent to profit off of the glitch or that the seller was even aware of the price differential. Purposely farming and selling items to the vendor in excess is abusing the exploit as that shows clear indication of profiting off of the glitch and knowingly doing so because of the price differential, which you admitted to. There is no problem with balance there.

No matter if they did the exploit or not it shouldnt affect those things sold to the vendor that you didnt buy from the vendor and me along with others all had that happen. those who did the bought and sold the shield its fair to take away the money they acquired that way but thats it.

If the price differential affects all items, including those that the vendor does not sell, then yes, it does matter and all items should be accounted for when determining if the exploit was used to excess.

This type of exploit of game mechanics should not be that severe considering it was something that trion did and not something that we randomly made happen or hacked to make happen.

It's not severe. You didn't get banned. All that happened was that Trion rightly took away the ill gotten gains you had made from exploiting the glitch. You should feel lucky for only getting a slap on the wrist. This kind of glitch and exploitation has been shown to be a punishable offense by many other games in the past. In some extreme cases, people were perma-banned.

They screwed up and we used their screw up.

And that's why you are being punished, just like has happened in the past in other games. Again, a great many people made the choice NOT to exploit the glitch and thus nothing happened to them.

Because it was not what they intended should not warrant such a hefty punishment.

Again, this is pretty much a slap on the wrist. This is hardly a hefty punishment.

When someone sells something and it incorrectly priced it goes to the customer....if it took them a while to realize they were all priced incorrectly it is not the consumer's fault. Plain and simple. They should have caught it sooner "customer's always right" and yes I work in retail and know all about price screw ups and i work for a company that stands behind their word 100%. If price changes arent done and the price goes up on something and is advertised at a lower price then we take care of it. This is the same situation, the difference is we would have caught it sooner and trion should have too. No company takes back the item and makes the customer pay more....and thats whats going on here.

This has absolutely nothing to do with exploiting a glitch in a game. And MMOs do it all the time, in fact in some instances, MMOs have done server roll backs because the exploiting of a glitch was so severe. I am just glad that Trion didn't need to do that - server rollbacks also punish the innocent.

Once something is advertised as something then that it should be honored.

Special pricing was not advertised as being part of the vendor. The only thing that was advertised was having unique stats on items specific to Extra Life. You incorrectly assumed that the pricing was part of the deal. There was no such deal made.

Once payment is received then service is expected. if they want to advertise something at that price then its their fault for not catching it. they have no one to blame but themselves. Whos fault is it if they price was given by those giving the service? Im right because i was promised something at a price and i should have gotten it. Thats called good business practice. Credit card companies, airlines, etc may not give you 100% satisfaction but they dont charge you a fee for their screw up. thats common sense. Clearly you would never succeed in business.

How much money did you loose here? I am not talking about in-game money because, ultimately, that is not yours to own. You did not receive the 24 hour time out, so how much real money did you loose because Trion rightfully took away your ill gotten gains?

Nothing. You still have full access to be able to play the game. You have no recourse except to file a ticket with CS and claim that you were wrongfully punished because you did not use the exploit. The only problem is that you openly admit to using the exploit. Sorry, but that's the way it goes when you use an exploit in a game. The only choice you have now is to suck it up and continue playing or find a new game to play, and hopefully learn from this lesson not to exploit glitches again.