Give Respect and Dignity, build a GOOD COMMUNITY

[BJWyler]

Its sort of like when you call customer service and complain about a product, you are criticizing the company, not the customer service rep, unless you are real jerk.

That's the key, isn't it? And unfortunately, something not very many people think about when they go to call customer service, or go to a return desk in a retail store, and any other number of similar situations. It seems that people tend to be more jerky in their behavior because that's the easiest thing to do. I don't feel it unjustified when they are called out for such behavior.

It has been my personal experience that, no matter how upset you are, when are talking to a support person (or posting a message in a forum), it is best to do so with a calm and concise manner. In the long run, you'll get better results because of it. Heck, that's how I was able to get a free upgrade to my cable service many years ago, and actually be able to watch it - when all my neighbors still had white fuzz on their screens and where literally shouting at the person at the other end of the phone.

[Lillith Valerian]

I could have swore I saw some people (not you) with "Dawn Patrol" in their sigs comport themselves without respect for others before. Maybe you got your guys in line since then.

I have *never* seen such a thing.

Since this is effectively an accusation that only serves to undercut Crixda's call for civility by hinting at group hypocrisy, could you please provide a link for proof? I would be very interested. Thank you.

[williamarmistace]

Silliness!
They said during the Nov. 2 Livestream that they DESPISED Mudkips! True Story!

William, although some Dawn Patrol members can get "testy" and It is undertsandable because We all have feelings and handle things in different ways. We don't "keep them in line" because our Clan is a collection of friends and not a tyranny or anything like that. The Dawn Patrol strives to improve constantly and to get better but We all accept who We are and move on, Respect and Dignity over all.

There have been plenty of nasty personal comments and they get snipered fast.
I just would rather have a positive and helpful forum community where We all work together to build something better, and THAT is why I try to sign my "question" posts with "GET INVOLVED, so Defiance can EVOLVE."
I honestly believe in it.

I can understand that you want to have a helpful forum community, but we do already have one. This forum helped me understand a lot of the game mechanics and features that I could not figure out by myself or through the games help system. Most of the posts I see (before today of course) have provided great criticisms and offered good suggestions. There are plenty of people on here that support the game. It is also important in Defiance's improvement to have a place where people can vent their frustrations about the game so that Trion can be aware of those issues. But just because someone makes a snarky comment about Trion does not mean they are insulting Elizabeth, Greg or Trick.

I've said this today in another thread: "My take away from this ordeal is that if there's something new in Defiance, then its probably broke..." That is an honest criticism of how this game has been handled thus far. I'm not being mean to Trion, Elizabeth, Greg, or Trick. I'm just stating a trend that the company has yet to fix. I feel that we need to repeat things like that so that Trion is aware that we are unhappy when they give us things that are not functioning correctly. And others need to do the same about the other issues this game has. And lets not forget about all the great suggestion threads that never get comments from the Trion reps. That's how we already are helpful.

[Shadow Andreas]

I just don't know why everyone is getting so bent out of shape....it is a game after all.

There is so much disrespect on these forums and people talking out their @$$!

You don't like someone....don't respond to their posts...ignore them. What are they gonna do, keep calling you out in an online forum....OH NO! The people's opinion that matter to me are my friends.....my clan mates (and affiliates, you should know who you all are), not some random person on the forums that doesn't know me from OAT!

Treat people how you want to be treated....that is what I try to do. Help one another....because at one time you needed help too. These should be things EVERYONE already knows.....is it really that hard????

[Z0mb1E]

I just don't know why everyone is getting so bent out of shape....it is a game after all.

There is so much disrespect on these forums and people talking out their @$$!

You don't like someone....don't respond to their posts...ignore them. What are they gonna do, keep calling you out in an online forum....OH NO! The people's opinion that matter to me are my friends.....my clan mates (and affiliates, you should know who you all are), not some random person on the forums that doesn't know me from OAT!

Treat people how you want to be treated....that is what I try to do. Help one another....because at one time you needed help too. These should be things EVERYONE already knows.....is it really that hard????

I approve of this message!!

If only I could hit the broadside of a barn with an xbox controller.......

[Shadow Andreas]

I can understand that you want to have a helpful forum community, but we do already have one. This forum helped me understand a lot of the game mechanics and features that I could not figure out by myself or through the games help system. Most of the posts I see (before today of course) have provided great criticisms and offered good suggestions. There are plenty of people on here that support the game. It is also important in Defiance's improvement to have a place where people can vent their frustrations about the game so that Trion can be aware of those issues. But just because someone makes a snarky comment about Trion does not mean they are insulting Elizabeth, Greg or Trick.

I've said this today in another thread: "My take away from this ordeal is that if there's something new in Defiance, then its probably broke..." That is an honest criticism of how this game has been handled thus far. I'm not being mean to Trion, Elizabeth, Greg, or Trick. I'm just stating a trend that the company has yet to fix. I feel that we need to repeat things like that so that Trion is aware that we are unhappy when they give us things that are not functioning correctly. And others need to do the same about the other issues this game has. And lets not forget about all the great suggestion threads that never get comments from the Trion reps. That's how we already are helpful.

The difference is that you conducted yourself with respect and did not whine about the situation and resort to childish threats. Besides what is said about Trion....it happens between players all the time. The majority of the posts on here have one player calling another something and vise versa.....where has all of the respect for the community gone.

I am honestly surprised that someone hasn't come on here and called myself or CRIXDA the "Trion Police" or tell us to stop being "White Knights" or stop drinking the "Kool-Aid". I'm sure it will happen.....but these are the things I am personally talking about.

[williamarmistace]

I have *never* seen such a thing.

Since this is effectively an accusation that only serves to undercut Crixda's call for civility by hinting at group hypocrisy, could you please provide a link for proof? I would be very interested. Thank you.

Sorry, I'll see if I can conjure up some if you really want them. But I know there were a few from today blasting the exploiters in their whine threads. Why you make me do work? Crixda acknowledged that some can get 'testy' though and that's all the acknowledgement I need. Would you still like some links about Dawn Patrol 'testy-ness'?

Edit: Just because Crixda admitted that some members can get 'testy' in no way undercuts his call to civility in my opinion.

[williamarmistace]

The difference is that you conducted yourself with respect and did not whine about the situation and resort to childish threats. Besides what is said about Trion....it happens between players all the time. The majority of the posts on here have one player calling another something and vise versa.....where has all of the respect for the community gone.

I am honestly surprised that someone hasn't come on here and called myself or CRIXDA the "Trion Police" or tell us to stop being "White Knights" or stop drinking the "Kool-Aid". I'm sure it will happen.....but these are the things I am personally talking about.

You see, I disagree that the majority of the posts on here are people calling one another names. Now today was definitely different though and I think we all know why that is. IMO, today was the exception and not the rule.

[TASHINKA]

IF I had exploited the EL vendor and then been punished for it there are only two reasonable options.

1) Quietly quit the game.

2) Quietly continue playing after recovering from the punishment.

Personally, It's embarrassing and unflattering to come onto a game forum and admit to cheating in one sentence and then complain about the punishment in the next.

Couldn't agree more - I would do the same - key word being "Quietly"; I do think the punishments previously listed sound a little harsh, but why are people surprised when their hand gets slapped in the cookie jar?

[Bentu]

Sorry, I'll see if I can conjure up some if you really want them. But I know there were a few from today blasting the exploiters in their whine threads. Why you make me do work? Crixda acknowledged that some can get 'testy' though and that's all the acknowledgement I need. Would you still like some links about Dawn Patrol 'testy-ness'?

You may be referring to myself but I assure you I didn't "blast" anyone.

Check my previous posts via username.