Arkbreaker (DLC2) is coming December 10

[vizibledog]

I think I'm confused here (I might just see the value differently than you but I want to make sure I'm understanding what you are saying!) You are a DLC owner: your drops should be more valuable now. You will get a new variety of weapons: the weapons we're creating are upgrades (and I hope you agree when you get them). You'll have more incentive to play because as a DLC holder, you now can use more things.

I'm just wondering, if these new weapons are upgrades of whats in game already wont that mess up weapon balance?

[Elastik Spastik]

No, I meant that I paid $60, not $10, for the base game. A new player who buys the season pass will still have given them less money than me, so when Trion says they're going to nerf my drops if I don't pony up yet more money, it does not come as a welcome announcement.

Please don't take this the wrong way.

Well if you bought the game at launch of course it will cost a lot more then, but due to sales, preowned and the likes, its cheaper now. If you didnt buy the season pass or not going to buy the dlc then thats your choice. Nearly all games come with dlc now and its a players choice whether to buy them or not. You can't argue that someone got the game cheaper down the line, and the season pass for the same price you paid for the base game at launch, so you MUST have the dlc weapons content for free because they didnt pay what we did. The weapon drops are going to be dlc weapons.

That pretty much goes for every game out there. Yeah the price went down quite soon but thats business my friend. But maybe the login rewards will be better for veteran players. That would be a nice touch.

Just my opinion.

[Deunan]

I think I'm confused here (I might just see the value differently than you but I want to make sure I'm understanding what you are saying!) You are a DLC owner: your drops should be more valuable now. You will get a new variety of weapons: the weapons we're creating are upgrades (and I hope you agree when you get them). You'll have more incentive to play because as a DLC holder, you now can use more things.

By now what he is saying should hopefully be clear to you and he's made a very valid point. That is a lot of useless drops added to the loot table for non-DLC owners unless you make a separate loot drop table for DLC2 content only. We know this is doable because Volge Sieges have a separate loot drop table for their Tier Lock Box rewards since the Volge rifles don't drop anywhere else in the game so I hope this is in fact what was done. If you don't know the answer could you please check with the development team and hopefully confirm that the DLC2 specific loot only drops from DLC2 content?

[crasher]

Sadly it does seem that the forum is just an outlet and that the communities opinion on certain matters does get sidelined by the developers own goals. That might work if you consider the game a work of art, for them to create and us to admire, and since we don't pay a subscription I'm not sure if we can call it a service we are paying for.

It does influence our willingness to purchase DLCs, as far as our agreement with content they decide to include. It influences our willingness and/or ability to recommend the game or pan it to anyone who might listen, and it influences our willingness to associate ourselves with any future product that TRION has an stake in.

nVidia bought 3dFX and orphaned every bit of 3dFX's projects. I got stuck with several vidcards and no driver support. The issue is that I was using some programs and games optimized for 3dFX which left me with much lesser performance.

I'll never buy an nVidia product for any reason, forever. Personal opinion, and I have control of 2 networks, influence over several dozen computers and a buncha users.
::shrugg::

Anyone else think the "Warmaster" is just going to be a reskinned Motherlode from Mine 99 with a lot more HP?

Reminds me of an orangutan.

[Shogo_Yahagi]

I'll bring up all these thoughts with the team and talk to them. While there are only a couple dozen weapons, they ARE meant to be a perk and incentive for having the DLC. That being said, we are keen to make sure that people can derive some value from them, even if they don't have the DLC. Best case scenario is that you enjoy all the free content and decide to jump in and get the DLC for a sweet weapon you'll love - but if that's not what you want, our focus was to make sure you still could get weapons you did want and can use and break down/sell the ones you can't!

Thanks, Elizabeth. I appreciate that there will at least be a discussion before the DLC is released.

I understand the desire to provide a benefit for players that purchase the DLC, and I'm certainly not opposed to them receiving full value for their purchase. Exclusive content is the way to provide that, and since exclusive access to new areas is off the table, exclusive use of new equipment is really the best option to provide bang for their buck. I fully support a healthy balance of paid versus free content in the DLC and this DLC seems like it will strike a better balance than the first.

I'm not asking for free access to those weapons, I'm just asking for a drop model that doesn't penalize me on top of forgoing access to the new shinies by reducing my drops of weapons that I can use.

Ideally, you should only get drops that you can use. Trick said in the State of the Game blog post that "Higher rarity weapons will always be accompanied with celebration and never disappointment." Dropping a rare weapon that I can't use just means that I didn't get a rare weapon that I can use. That's not cause for celebration.

[TrickDempsey]

The arkbreaker exclusive weapons only drop from completing arkbreaks and will not drop from lockboxes. Any weapon or item which does come from a lockbox is usable by the purchaser. You already paid money for the lockbox, it would be insane to charge you again to then use the item.

[Zugo]

The arkbreaker exclusive weapons only drop from completing arkbreaks and will not drop from lockboxes. Any weapon or item which does come from a lockbox is usable by the purchaser. You already paid money for the lockbox, it would be insane to charge you again to then use the item.

That sounds reasonable to me.

[Deunan]

The arkbreaker exclusive weapons only drop from completing arkbreaks and will not drop from lockboxes. Any weapon or item which does come from a lockbox is usable by the purchaser. You already paid money for the lockbox, it would be insane to charge you again to then use the item.

Thanks Trick. I was hoping this was the answer.

[Holy Bahamut3]

This is something I hope they address with the rewards system, some peace offering to those who bought the game at higher prices compared to much much lower rate seen soon after launch.

Right there with you Etaew. ^

[Shogo_Yahagi]

The arkbreaker exclusive weapons only drop from completing arkbreaks and will not drop from lockboxes. Any weapon or item which does come from a lockbox is usable by the purchaser. You already paid money for the lockbox, it would be insane to charge you again to then use the item.

Thanks for the clarification, Trick. That wasn't clear from earlier descriptions, and it sounded like they might begin dropping in the open world once the DLC is released. It's good to know that they won't be.