Grenade Discussion Thread

[crasher]

This is why I feel bad for developer who want to change some fundamental things with a game. People hate change, or hate losing something they have (i.e. change).
They yell and scream and it scares a lot of developers to not change things, even if it was for the better.
Sometimes, to the betterment of a game, you just have to let them make drastic changes.

...Of course on the other side of the coin, they should've had the systems in the way they wanted them to from the start. lol

The problem with "developer who want to change some fundamental things with a game" is that with the changes previewed: You've just made it a different game than the one people bought.

You haven't 'added' to the game.
You haven't 'tweeked' the game.
'You haven't 'modified' the game.

You made it a different game.

If I was playing a single-player game, I'd have the option to install/not-install a mod that may or may-not do this.

These are some take it or leave it changes that nullify any time/money investments people have in the game to the point that it's becoming a game with a different design philosopy, and that makes it a different game than the one I paid for.

The game devs are indicating to me that it's approaching time we agree they want me to go find something else.
I don't want to go there, but I'm being left with fewer options to continue playing the game I like, and have to settle for one I didn't bargain for.

I'm losing the stuff I already had and liked and in return being made to accept stuff most players didn't want or ask for.

[Nefarious]

Im all for having a limited number of grenades and a short 3 second cool down between throwing them.

But it should of been we keep our existing grenades we have now and they all share the same ammo pool. All that would need to be done then is to balance out the det times since we can now toss one after another.

When the community first heard that changes were coming to Grenades and that we would carry a limited number this is how we thought it would work ^^^.

This grenade change now in that every grenade has its own ammo pool is to complex.

[Arsenic_Touch]

They should've made it like borderlands where you have a grenade mod with varying stats, and you have a grenade ammo drop. This would've been so much better for players. Why they decided to do what they did is beyond anyone's best guess.

[Nilxain]

Here's the feedback I gave on grenades:

I was not one of the people who was totally against the grenade changes. I did not, and do not, like that Trion has chosen to bill hours for this stupid change, but I was optimistic that it would be an over all positive experience once it hit. I was wrong.

Setting aside for a moment the fact that Trion is billing hours to fix something that's not broken, instead of having those hours spent on things that are broken, new content, and the POS loot system; these grenade changes suck.

• I can't salvage/sell excess grenades.
• I can't hold enough grenades for them to be useful.
• There is no quick interface or auto swap option that trades out grenades from what I'm out of to what I have.
• They don't drop enough for me to reliably pace them.
• If I can only have 5 I should be able to toss them back to back (3 sec is short, but it's too long for this new system).
• This change is not fun, it's just a convoluted pain in the *****.

This was a trerible waste of Dev time, and I hate that you guys did this. It was a bad judgment call, and while maybe 2 or 3 years down the line this change would have been merited, at this point in the game grenades were fine as they were. And, what I hate more is that you guys probably won't even listen to this and will put it live anyway.

I think you guys need to seriously step back and ask yourself one simple question: Who are you guys making this game for? Yourselves? or the players?

Because the players feel like this was an utter waste of time. Why don't you try giving us something we actually want:

• Auction house
• Crafting system
• Weapon re-roll system
• Rolls that make sense on weapons
• A working chat system
• Motorcycles
• Turret on the raptor
• More dynamic content
• Real loot system
• Drops at emergencies
• and anything else I forgot on that short list of player wants

How much progress on those things could you have made with the time that was spent on this grenades change that everyone hates?

Now that you've done it anyway, will you listen to us so we can at least help you make it better before you release it?

Then later I made this with the overall feedback post I gave:

Grenades

Since I already put my thoughts on these earlyier in the thread I will only say this:

All of Trion needs to go sit in the corner and think about what you did. And I mean ALL of Trion – Rift, Trove, Archeage, End of Nations, Defiance, EVERYONE. That way, maybe, in the future when you guys are thinking about wasting your time on something stupid like this again, the other Trion staff members will slap some sense in you and say, “NO! BAD Defiance Devs, BAD!”


That's how I feel about the grenade changes, and I sincerely hope they choose now as the time to start listening to the players.

[crasher]

Here's the feedback I gave on grenades:

[Snip for space]

That's how I feel about the grenade changes, and I sincerely hope they choose now as the time to start listening to the players.

Well said, and, unfortunately the only ones who will likely take anything away from your post are the players who already like the game.

[Bonehead]

They should've made it like borderlands where you have a grenade mod with varying stats, and you have a grenade ammo drop. This would've been so much better for players. Why they decided to do what they did is beyond anyone's best guess.

This makes too much sense for the current management to grasp. Also not enough like firefall for their taste.

[Bonehead]

Well said, and, unfortunately the only ones who will likely take anything away from your post are the players who already like the game.

Too true..

[Blondin]

Well said, and, unfortunately the only ones who will likely take anything away from your post are the players who already like the game.

That's where Trion lost so much players... Players can understand that devs could have some problems, technical (raptor) and financial (layofs), but players don't understand when devs change things that were far away from community's requests.

I started playing Defiance because this game has great potential, but I stopped to play because of devs's choices and decisions.

[Atticus Batman]

The problem with "developer who want to change some fundamental things with a game" is that with the changes previewed: You've just made it a different game than the one people bought.

You haven't 'added' to the game.
You haven't 'tweeked' the game.
'You haven't 'modified' the game.

You made it a different game.

If I was playing a single-player game, I'd have the option to install/not-install a mod that may or may-not do this.

These are some take it or leave it changes that nullify any time/money investments people have in the game to the point that it's becoming a game with a different design philosopy, and that makes it a different game than the one I paid for.

The game devs are indicating to me that it's approaching time we agree they want me to go find something else.
I don't want to go there, but I'm being left with fewer options to continue playing the game I like, and have to settle for one I didn't bargain for.

I'm losing the stuff I already had and liked and in return being made to accept stuff most players didn't want or ask for.

That red part may be true on Pc, but on consoles, we HAVE to dl the update or we can't play the game in question, even single player ones.

[Stormy Starr]

Horse crap, if it wasn't broke why fix it?