Grenade Discussion Thread

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@Prothean

It does make sense, it makes more sense that its because of some grenades complaints that only you have seen. Almost every nerf gets blamed on PvP even it has nothing to do with PvP like the FRC saw nerf. All your doing is creating an unnecessary rift with your rumors between PvP community and PvE community and getting the attention taken away from what's really happeneing. Trion does not think enough people will quit because the grenade changes that they will lose money. They think some people might quit but they will make more money in loot boost and inventory space in the end. They have given reasons why they made these changes but its contradictory to the reason. They lie about the reason because in reality they are doing it just make money. It's a nerf on how much scrip and salvage you get and how much you spend. You can see the reasons they give in this thread and how they make no sense. http://forums.defiance.com/showthrea...ooked-at-again.

[ten4]

Checked back a few months ago to find out that 700+ hours of effort was thrown out the window with weapon stat changes making all my collected items WORTHLESS. That was a kick to the balls, THANKS!

Then I find out my defensive build got nerfed into the ground, it's not like I was invincible...hell no. Another change due to your horrible PvP...hate to say it Trion, PvP in Defiance will always be crappy. You would have to revamp everything to make it enjoyable and we all know the odds of that with your 4 man dev team.

And now they are revamping grenades that never really needed changes in the FIRST place. This smells of marketing where some suit said 'we need people to spend more RL money on loot boosters and inventory slots so think of something to encourage that!'. Now we will make less scrip and salvage + have to deal with this lame *** new grenade system. Not cool.

It's clear they are only after new players since the vets already paid, so heck with them right?

As usual, terrible changes for the lose. Thanks for being consistent.

[BarrySciFi]

I have the best orange grenade in the game, and it's high EGO. Did I say have? I meant had. Soon it will be the same as any other grenade. I think they are intentionally frelling the game up. Why is anyone's speculation. There simply is no logic in some of Trion's decisions.

[BJWyler]

In short, yes. I think grenades should be limited, just like ammo for our other weapons. However, the current implementation needs work because they should also be easier to replenish, like ammo.

[Prothean]

@ Twitch

I'm not trying to be divisive here. As I said, I think we all can agree that the proposed grenade changes make absolutely no sense to any of the players and do not represent any actual improvement for the game. The speculation, on both our parts, is simply due to the fact that as usual, Trion is not communicating with their community (communication being a two-way process). If they did, they would have acknowledged by now how ill-received the new grenade system is but offered up some plausible explanation for why they are proceeding with it anyway. Then again, we already know that there isn't any plausible explanation for this nonsensical change that the players will accept, and it's a bitter pill to swallow when you think about the development resources they wasted on this that could have been put to better use.

In the end, it's just one more straw on the camel's back, and for those still playing this game, it's just one more compelling reason to move on and find something else to play.

[Thearl]

Anyone remember the Combat Upgrade in SWG back in '05 (followed by the NGE)? The game kept going despite the negative reception of the community. Defiance may just be trying to relive 8 years of SWG timeline in 36 months.

I was anti grenade-gate when it was first announced and is probably about 10% of the reason I'm no longer playing.

[Red Mephisto]

I have never in my life of Defiance, hear someone complain about grenades.

It was the ONE part of the game, everyone liked, and was perfectly done.

It was an important part of my playstyle.

I CANNOT, in the MIDDLE of battle, push start, choose a loadout, click my grenades, equip a new grenade type, exit menu. I will either A. Lag out OR B, DIE. Who the hell thought of this?

There are still, TONS of problems. Whose idea, was it to work on the ONE aspect of the game, we WERNT complaining about???????????? WHy do you hate us? Why do you hate Defiance??


I vote NO, in every way, shape and form. This is the worst idea, for any game, ever.

I know people, in my clan, that are LEAVING because of THIS.

Terrible and foolish idea.....

[crasher]

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I was anti grenade-gate when it was first announced and is probably about 10% of the reason I'm no longer playing.

You have no idea how much I miss the vets who used to post here. The drain of cumulative game experience that has occurred on the forums and in the game itself has been noticed by many of us left, and its something that means that a metric tonne of lore and info is missing from the whole environment.

In-game society as a whole and as it 'was' is something that the newer players never saw and therefor don't 'miss' as such, but it lessens the experience they take away from the game. Many of them are playing a less satisfying game because of it, and don't even have the chance to see why.

[Clarity Page]

Voting NO on grenade changes, i think the current charge delay system is perfect it stops people spamming nades but allows you to use them enough when you need too aka thinning the afflicted hoards.

The grenade system is different from any other game that i have ever played, in a sea of copy and paste shooters it's nice to see someone try something different and have it work! so please person of Trion if you are reading this please don't change the grenades

[Skullsuku]

Keep them the way they r, u can get rid of the flash ones though, oh and Bio, since it seems that I get more of them than any thing else in the game, and don't use them, it's almost like a sick joke.