Seriously, did you see what I replied to, someone comparing this GAME to a WAR?Originally Posted by GeneCo
So, tell me, is your deceptive and misleading reply in attempt to provide self-exoneration or vindication?
Seriously, did you see what I replied to, someone comparing this GAME to a WAR?
So, tell me, is your deceptive and misleading reply in attempt to provide self-exoneration or vindication?
It doesn't matter. You chose your own words. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Yes, shame on me for outlining just as you did, how this GAME in no way compares to a WAR. You realize you made my point two-fold, yes?
I wonder why you didn't quote this as well that came just after your quote stating, no, as in no, this is not a war, it is a competitive game with rules:
"No, its a competitive game with clear rules as outlined by a Terms of Service"
Um, I seem to be confused... You were complaining about your tactical lack of effectiveness. I didn't "bring this to the table" as a Marine (capital "M" dude). "Unless you have support..." blah blah blah. Do you have support? Do you have a realistic backup in this game? NO. Change your tactics. You think U and L shaped ambushes are too complex for 4-man "squads" (we call those fire-teams, squads are typically 10-12). Ls and Us are the most effective with such small numbers. Buddy teams (2 each) grab overwatch and pour down fire when possible. If elevation is not possible you L so as not to buddy-funk. I'm getting the distinct feeling you are either an "O" or you aren't infantry. If I'm wrong, well I guess I understand what happened in Bagdad."Bringing Army tactics to this game will land you in trouble regardless of the ethics involved." Ha, what a Marine thing to say :P Well, the point being is no one should have support, which is why it works if arsehats don't go get their buddies outside the shadow war to recon and support them with impunity. You also know how this goes down too... If you see an enemy spotter or recon, you know the drill, you do not proceed until it is dealt with and you know the enemy is as blind or blinder than you are. So, what do you do when you have blues running around with the same clan tags giving up your positions to the other team? You can't take them out..... Hate to tell you but ques from both the Marines and Army falls flat on this one, not unless you're going to pull out that one where you say, "Balls to the wall boys!" in which case, I will once again laugh, and digress.
Sidenote Edit: If you have a decent crew of Marine vets, I'd be happy to have a face-off in team pvp in defiance to see which runs better
But inward facing L's and U's (suicide crossfire's as we called them) just gets your team picked off, can be visually obstructive, and piratically too complex to be effective for a 4-man squad. Try my tactic thereIf no one is using outside help, you guys will be able to cover each other, let your wild card spot. Just remember to call your targets in voice or TS3 or something... Unless they start running pincers or other battlefield movements, its a very safe bet.
EDIT: "recon with impunity"... ya man, that's the point. Dirty tactics for dirty situations. Maybe we should go back to the old days of jousting and dueling. Nah...I'll stay dirty and stay alive.
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Oh damnit, you had to say something that I twigged on... The SAS move in without much in the way of solid intel, they perform similar roles as outlined in Tanks post. They certainly don't stop and say "damn we were spotted, deal with the spotters and keep doing what we were doing or we are done for" they say, "can we deal with the spotter? no, ok move on expecting that they know where we are", they change up their tactics. I agree with Tank on this one.
And regarding the "suicide crossfire" situations you described, if your positioned properly, this doesn't happen, and also, you don't need to worry about friendly fire, no blue on blue remember?
Anyway, regarding tactics, again, flexible versus fixed. Any military in the world will tell you that... or at least any existing military. Just look at the Carthaginians, the Nazis, or the French at the start of WW2, fixed tactics, broken army.
Anyway, my wife says she wants me back, and that I am banned from the forums today... I know where my priorities lie.. See you later guys.
No, the complaint was that the other, clan was so bad, and their tactics were so deplorable that they had to resort to using outside (as in outside of the Shadow War) help and STILL lost.
Combat Unit Hierarchy -- the way I was taught, the basic unit is a squad. You move as a squad, you eat as a squad, you... you know as a squad. We did indeed have 4-8 man squads as a ranger unit (I think SF runs this way too). So, you could only be broken down into teams (we just called them teams, as we commonly had recon, signal, sniper, and strike teams) IF you were membered to a squad. A scenario I was taught in airborne training -- if you're dropped off in the middle of nowhere and come across 2 lower-ranking soldiers, it is your responsibility to form and command the 'squad' to achieve your mission. What this meant is, until a squad is broken down in to its specialty parts, it is a squad. Everyone had a battle buddy as well, and they could sometimes run patrols if personnel was short. Even in defiance, I find that allowing someone to be a designated recon, center, etc, works very well.
No, I was not commissioned, and no I was not infantry. No, I never was in Baghdad, but I had to go to Kandahar and fix the rather deadly "M"arine slip up there .... Alamo if that rings any bells
I get you brother. Watch out for the people without anything. Those funkers have nothing to lose. They don't play like us man. Kandahar...ya man. Sometimes nothing works how it's supposed to. Thank you man.No, the complaint was that the other, clan was so bad, and their tactics were so deplorable that they had to resort to using outside (as in outside of the Shadow War) help and STILL lost.
Combat Unit Hierarchy -- the way I was taught, the basic unit is a squad. You move as a squad, you eat as a squad, you... you know as a squad. We did indeed have 4-8 man squads as a ranger unit (I think SF runs this way too). So, you could only be broken down into teams (we just called them teams, as we commonly had recon, signal, sniper, and strike teams) IF you were membered to a squad. A scenario I was taught in airborne training -- if you're dropped off in the middle of nowhere and come across 2 lower-ranking soldiers, it is your responsibility to form and command the 'squad' to achieve your mission. What this meant is, until a squad is broken down in to its specialty parts, it is a squad. Even in defiance, I find that allowing someone to be a designated recon, center, etc, works very well.
No, I was not commissioned, and no I was not infantry. No, I never was in Baghdad, but I had to go to Kandahar and fix the "M"arine's slip up there .... Alamo if that rings any bells
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Actually, that would have been up to the mission commander likely at the nearest installation somewhere. The exact communication would have sounded something like... "We're spotted, no solution, need mission go / no-go"
No, I understand there is no blue on blue -- however that does not negate the fact a friendly's head can obscure your view.
The tactics are very flexible. The best thing about the defensive tactics we run is the simple fact if you are able to get one, it is very difficult to get the rest -- before they get you.
In an L formation or U formation, there are many straight lines... and Tank likely knows what I'm talking about... Basically what it boils down to is someone getting your position lined up, holding the trigger down on a SAW, and mowing through half your team in a second flat. My plan, disallows this and requires something at your back with only a clear view of one other squad member, and obscured visuals on the rest. While I'm not Patton, my philosophy has always been, if someone is going to take my life, he will damn sure have to work for it (LOL). So, I avoid things like tight formations to make myself an easy nade target or in-line formations so one pull of the trigger can let one person mow down everyone without moving the muzzle. We've been using it for some six months now and rarely loose unless we have a lot of guys on and we start pvping each other (it gets hairy then). Our tactics have never been in question, even when the other side was running rushes, we were pounding them back, they HAD to resort to cheating to get any edge and even then I wish the time wasn't so close, because I'm sure we had a solution near ready for them on that (it had to do with another blue clan member in the truck, running through the area smashing all the mobs they brought in lol).
But even still, this is a game -- where sportsmanship should apply. It clearly does not.
Indeed, it never goes how it is supposed to. The day it does, you know you've lost because you're already in heaven
I'm honestly surprised this is still going on as a discussion...ok lets try this:
debrief: Other team used "illegal tactics" in an attempt to gain an advantage.
results: failure.
Mission overview: what could we have done differently to minimize the effect?
answer: changed your position to a diamond formation aproximately 20 meters apart; locating higher ground for left and right point man. switched loadout to utilize groundpounders clusters as secondary weapons (kills hellbugs almost instantly btw), waited for enemy approach, blasting all PVE mobs with efficiency and returning to the fight while maintaining cover fire from center man and front/rear guard.
wouldnt this be an effective alternative to simply sitting clustered together..personaly Im suprised the other team didnt simply navigate a 2 man team around you, drop pounders on you and drive you out of the position in the first place while keeping you destracted from the front with smgs.
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