Major arkfall etiquite

[Aaricane]

Who the hell cares, start it whenever you want.

[crasher]

Who the hell cares, start it whenever you want.

Pretty much everyone who plays the game to 'win' the Break, instead of grief, or just does poorly out of unfamiliarity with the facts?

Probably the several people in these threads who make multi-million point scores and are trying to share knowledge and technique with people who WANT to make multi-million point scores but aren't able to, yet?

Just a few guesses.....

[GridSufer]

Pretty much everyone who plays the game to 'win' the Break, instead of grief, or just does poorly out of unfamiliarity with the facts?

Probably the several people in these threads who make multi-million point scores and are trying to share knowledge and technique with people who WANT to make multi-million point scores but aren't able to, yet?

Just a few guesses.....

And those who payed for the DLC and are fed up of free-loaders that don't care?
Just adding another to the list...

[Noobshank]

If you have nothing constructive to say GTF0. So many of you tough guys behind keyboards now-a-days.

To the OP - Please wait until you see about ~15 people in the instance and then SLOWLY break the crystals, allowing those still rendering to see the Warmaster and find their positioning.

I personally appreciate you asking this question bud, it's rare to see game etiquette so +1. Personally, I never touch the crystals. I plant 5 clusterbombs at the right arm and wait until the rude ones pop the crystals early while posted up behind the WM (Sucker Punch). You should definitely check out Nilxain's guide if you haven't done so already.

Again, if you're not constructive on threads please don't waste anyone's time. Your misinformation is only hurting a dying community as-is.

[melkathi]

Went to a major Arkbreak the other day. There were only three of us. Then the other two broke the seals. I think it was completly stupid, true. But honestly? At least one of the two people being stupid had put down the spikes to call the thing down. If they want to waste their spikes, they have every right to do so

[GridSufer]

I was in one breaker with four people total, two were waiting by the ammo cache, the other started shooting one of the locks, so I stood infront of him, shoot my gun at him to get attention then started a private convo, explained that we had no chance and to wait...

Some four minutes later and a huge stream of people flooded down the hole!

And the big monkey died to the effects of a nano and vanished into a black nothingness!

[crasher]

Went to a major Arkbreak the other day. There were only three of us. Then the other two broke the seals. I think it was completly stupid, true. But honestly? At least one of the two people being stupid had put down the spikes to call the thing down. If they want to waste their spikes, they have every right to do so

I'm sure that when the first two guys put down the spikes, and THE 3rd guy comes in and breaks the locks - when there is no 4th guy yet....
You see where I'm going?
In your example, it begs the obvious question of why they proceeded early. And what you say is true in your example.

But the majority of these cases don't involve just 3 or 5 guys, they involve ALMOST enough people to carry it off if many/most are good, and not enough people if they're an unorganized PUG.

I'm thinking SOME of the problem can be averted by gathering as many people at a site before spiking, but I know that's not easy or efficient either.

I've gotten inside with my share of teams of losers.
I can walk away from a siege with teams of losers making it pointless.
I have to quit the game to get out of a Break that exceeds the loser quotient.

[Alexri]

Kind of says it all, don't you ever think that these "randoms" may have actually paid for the game/dlc and are entitled to play it. They then go and blame the game because you've been an a s s.

Similar logic to:
Don't you ever think the people talking loudly on a cellphone during a movie at a movie theatre may have actually paid for the ticket/snacks and are entitled to be there.

There are 24 slots in a WM arkbreak, and no single person has the right to ruin it for 23 others.

The biggest problem with Defiance is that it's lacking mechanics that are time tested to be paramount to the success of an MMO. Things like vote kick (from WMs), raid groups, and minimum skill requirements to enter. In this game we have to say things like "if you're not doing a million damage you shouldn't join arkbreaks", and then people get pissed, even if it's exactly the same logic that automatically prevents you from joining raids/instance groups in other MMOs, and no one has a problem with that.

[GridSufer]

Alexri, despite my distaste for you as a person, I 'mostly' agree with you, the only thing I will say is, 1mil minimum is a hit excessive, a full group with a average hitter of 600k has beaten him... Even 500k aimed at the right spot makes a difference.

Otherwise yes you're right, we need kick mechanics to boot out the AFKers and others who intentionally ruin it for the rest.

[crasher]

Similar logic to:
Don't you ever think the people talking loudly on a cellphone during a movie at a movie theatre may have actually paid for the ticket/snacks and are entitled to be there.

There are 24 slots in a WM arkbreak, and no single person has the right to ruin it for 23 others.

The biggest problem with Defiance is that it's lacking mechanics that are time tested to be paramount to the success of an MMO. Things like vote kick (from WMs), raid groups, and minimum skill requirements to enter. In this game we have to say things like "if you're not doing a million damage you shouldn't join arkbreaks", and then people get pissed, even if it's exactly the same logic that automatically prevents you from joining raids/instance groups in other MMOs, and no one has a problem with that.

Considering how many Break sites go unused at any given time, it's foolish that there isn't some mechanism to do a team roster of people who want to all go in together, and crush one on occasion. Sure, this one can be 'abused' too, just like any game mechanic, but it's no different than going into a coop with a chosen group, just bigger groups are involved.

ETA: I understand the idea of a 'kick mechanic', but in the limited amount of time during a WM fete, is there really a possibility that it'll be useful THAT often considering the number of people you have to distract and coordinate to make it happen in any way that's marginally fair?

And in Survivor, they frequently vote-kick the best players anyway.