A Plea to Trion: Hacking is becoming a huge problem..

[Mike Chone]

When we get the group back together tomorrow, I'm going to try taking those screenshots while windowed. I tried fraps yesterday, and oddly enough while we were using it for 2 games straight, we had not a single problem. No one crashed. No one got booted. Of course this was just 2 times but for the past few days this has been the only times we have ever been plague free by one of the 4 jumping into the coop or some misc bug. The thing about fraps though, the videos it takes are huge. One mission was 6GB and honestly I can't record all of my sessions. I've been thinking about livestreaming and tagging the clips that have these cheats going on.

The sad part is, as low as the population is now, we have lost 2 players because of this. I literally had one player approach me today and said, "when the hacking is sorted out, let me know, until then, I'll be on....". The other was so annoyed she posted here (romper) and said too she wouldn't be back until the hacking is sorted.

I'm not entirely sure how widespread this is. It could be we are being targeted, but I have no clue why because most of our players are average shooters, nothing exceptional about us. This leads me to believe that other players could be plagued with this and may likely be leaving as well.

We already know the damage hacking is still alive and well in PVP. I had a friend that frapsed his last shadow war where he put 3 bolt action rounds in a guys head and never got hit markers. I wrote this off as basically pvp is just a lost cause. But now the hackers are seemingly wreaking havoc in pve which means there is no where in this game to escape to for a fair and level playing field.

OP, have you considered that this is a BUG?

What benefit is there to kicking people out of an instance with a 'hack' anyways?

I am more inclined to believe that the people in question were the only ones in the que and moment the instance server bugged out, kicking your friends; then those dudes were put into your co-op.

I can't for the life of me think why anyone would do that/actually make a hack for this purpose. Most FPS hacks are ESPs, god mode cheat trainer type programs, hex edits, aimbots, etc...not this.

This, most likely, is a bug in a game that is chalked full of them. Just add one more to the list!

If I were a hacker, the benefit would be guaranteeing that you are put in a pre-made instead of a pug which would mean your chances for completing the mission, faster, would be increased exponentially.

The hack is out there. There is an all-in-one hack for Defiance right now that can be googled fairly easily which provides a "go to anyone" ability that they advertise will replace existing group members in instances. Trion should investigate this and stop it. It seems if this simple act of going to whom ever they want is the doorway which means closing it should at least stop it for now -- I just hope the solution isn't taking away the ability to go to your friends.

The first few days, I indeed thought it was a bug. After its happened now counting today and the rest of yesterday, some 14 times, always being patroned by the same (well its now) 4 people has made me reconsider the coincidences.

If this happened 3 times I would be ok that is within the realm of a bug and highly coincidental but still plausible that it is a bug. 14 times by the same 4 people, it is no longer plausible and I highly challenge if it is at all possible without cheats.

The OP did say that this happened 8 times in a row. To paraphrase the saying from my workcenter in the Navy, "once is an anomaly, twice is a pattern, three times is a trend..."

Precisely.

[Treasurekins]

It happened to our group today - all clan members. One of our players was kicked out and immediately replaced by another player. When we tried to kick the new player from the group, only his name was removed from the listing but his character remained for the duration of the coop. He was of a very high ego. I am on PS3 NA.

[Overtkill21]

It happened to our group today - all clan members. One of our players was kicked out and immediately replaced by another player. When we tried to kick the new player from the group, only his name was removed from the listing but his character remained for the duration of the coop. He was of a very high ego. I am on PS3 NA.

No one on PS3 is hacking the game to do this - this is a random thing - the player who got booted just got booted as is common on PS3 - another player who was queing for the Co-Op replaced him.

[TheButcherPete]

Yeah, it's nigh impossible to hack a PS3 online game. But not completely impossible. Plus, the client parses files when you launch it, so any mods that you managed to get installed will probably be deleted by the system as being an anomaly.

[Skullsuku]

Funny u say this since I was wondering what was going on. This happened to me 2 x's last night during the Motherlode, and I know it happened to 2 others that were in our group. I was playing and all of a sudden I was at the Crater, I signed back in and ran all the way to th group, and bam it happened again. I got back in just before the Boss battle and one of our group[leader] was gone and someone else was in his/her place. The new person had more than 2 x's the score than everyone else, and no one knew him. When we got back to the world our leader was there[Crater just by chance] and asked if anyone else was bumped, in all 3 of us had been bumped during the mission. And then our group was disbanded by someone else while we were all standing there talking about it. I wish we could name names but it is not my deal to do that, but I did write down the names that I got last night and will do as I did in SW, and tell my group and just quit the match. Pity, I was having a good night and would have had a great score if I didn't have to start over 2 x's. And no, no one knew the person, but he did keep taunting the people in our group and group members don't do that in my groups, ours help each other out.

[samuelsinn]

sigh :: im going to clearify something about defiance. something that no one bothers to look up or look into or even for that matter bothers to understand that

I like so many others out there in this world that BOTHERED to look into such things. KNOWS that. sadly

defiance can not be hacked PROPERLY

defiance has all of the things that could of been modded or hacked or broken by hackers on server side of the client. nothing of the games propertys is player side or client side. the game is vurtualy inposabul to hack due to this system set up .

anyone that is found useing a therd party tool such as CE or any other binary or hex tool that brakes down the system and sends packits into it . are more offten then not ban from the game or given a saver worning. most of the time ban.

as for hacking on consol. agine this is vurtualy inposabull becuse any mods that you add would enebitaly be deleted due to the detection program and the fact that you have to run an update EVERY time you log into the game witch checks the game files that are allready in your system for any abnormalitys and replaces them with the correct file or just tells you it found an error and dosent let you on till said error is fixed.

so in summary.

defiance can not be hacked .

[Amack]

That is right folks! When Sam here says it is imposubull, he means it is imposubull!

Grin I love it!

[plebeian27]

sigh :: im going to clearify something about defiance. something that no one bothers to look up or look into or even for that matter bothers to understand that

I like so many others out there in this world that BOTHERED to look into such things. KNOWS that. sadly

defiance can not be hacked PROPERLY

defiance has all of the things that could of been modded or hacked or broken by hackers on server side of the client. nothing of the games propertys is player side or client side. the game is vurtualy inposabul to hack due to this system set up .

anyone that is found useing a therd party tool such as CE or any other binary or hex tool that brakes down the system and sends packits into it . are more offten then not ban from the game or given a saver worning. most of the time ban.

as for hacking on consol. agine this is vurtualy inposabull becuse any mods that you add would enebitaly be deleted due to the detection program and the fact that you have to run an update EVERY time you log into the game witch checks the game files that are allready in your system for any abnormalitys and replaces them with the correct file or just tells you it found an error and dosent let you on till said error is fixed.

so in summary.

defiance can not be hacked .

Not true. I happen to personally know someone who got into the files and changed a single shot weapon into a full auto weapon. If that isn't hacking, I don't know what is.

[samuelsinn]

That is right folks! When Sam here says it is imposubull, he means it is imposubull!

Grin I love it!

ya ya knock on my hung over bad typeing and spelling errors you try typeing when it feels like an army of Dark matter are marching though your head with an obalisk right behind them

[samuelsinn]

Not true. I happen to personally know someone who got into the files and changed a single shot weapon into a full auto weapon. If that isn't hacking, I don't know what is.

and ill wager that shrotly there after thay got into it eather thay got an infraction message in there Email or where perma ban from the servers.

if there still runing around there not going to for long.