What's with all of the haters?

[OldDude_]

I enjoy the game. I have been gaming since the beginning of time. My first PC was a Commodore PET. Y'all yungins know nuthin!! Really, most games coming out today are not finished. Many companies use the players as beta testers. I think with Season 2 coming out, the game will get better. Bad mouthing it and whinning like 8 year olds won't get you nothing. Play, move on, but wearing the Hate Hat is IMO counter-productive.


End of Line.

[DanteYoda]

I enjoy the game. I have been gaming since the beginning of time. My first PC was a Commodore PET. Y'all yungins know nuthin!! Really, most games coming out today are not finished. Many companies use the players as beta testers. I think with Season 2 coming out, the game will get better. Bad mouthing it and whinning like 8 year olds won't get you nothing. Play, move on, but wearing the Hate Hat is IMO counter-productive.


End of Line.

Off topic but my first Computer was Amstrad CPC 464



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[Sente]

The code is on servers is it not? I know they don't run so well, but they are servers none the less.

The source code and the development and internal test environments are most likely not located in the same place as the actual live servers.
The amount of people allocated for development and testing will be proportional to how much money the game brings in and/or any projected income. The things the developers will work on would depend on what the company sees give the most bang for the buck, which will depend on the particular areas of expertise of the developers and how hard certain things would be to fix or develop.

[N3gativeCr33p]

Trion, are you there?
Trion, this is Houston, do you copy?
Please don't tell Houston you are drunk again and doing cartwheels in 0 gravity.
Trion, do you copy?
Well listen Trion, we are receiving some weird readings on one of our monitors here and would like you to confirm.
Trion, do you copy?
This is SERIOUS, Trion we need you to respond. Do you copy?
-Audible long sigh-
Alright Trion, don't listen to Houston if you don't want to, that is entirely up to you.
According to our monitors you don't have much longer before being vaporized by instant particle reversal into the 4th dimension and then we will have to once again rescue you with picks and shovels.
Trion, do you copy?
Trion, this is Houston, do you copy?
For realsies this time... are you there?

C'mon now... you completely forgot the most important part.

[Fuzzle]

I'm pretty sure the negatively mostly derives from promises made that weren't kept, starting from the promise of a finished product with the release.

Honestly the game has come a long in terms of improvements to functionality, stability (at least on no PS3 platforms it seems), and useability. A new player's experience isn't nearly as bad now as a new player's experience at launch. However, every promised fix that has come along as come with often equally bad problems again. Due to all the time fixing the game, and fixing the fixes, the development hasn't gone to other promised features like DLC's.

Plus there are a lot of players who make very excellent suggestions on how to fix things/make things better on the forums. A lot of the times those very productive threads seem to go ignored, which I think frustrates the player base as well.

So the TLR version, generally speaking, I believe players are more jaded about how the development and communication has been handled than the actual fun the game brings to them.

[Manstan]

I enjoy the game. I have been gaming since the beginning of time. My first PC was a Commodore PET. Y'all yungins know nuthin!! Really, most games coming out today are not finished. Many companies use the players as beta testers. I think with Season 2 coming out, the game will get better. Bad mouthing it and whinning like 8 year olds won't get you nothing. Play, move on, but wearing the Hate Hat is IMO counter-productive.


End of Line.

My first was a Ti99/4a. I've been playing video games as long as there have been video games and binball before that. I also played AD&D when it first came out
I was also a game modder for a few years so the actual code junkies and crayola monkeys have my sympathy. Nothing like finding a bug the cause of completely alludes.

Now I am just negative by nature. My father was a marine corp drill instructor, I wasn't raised I was drilled, I only know one way to fix things, get on it and stay on it till it's fixed. An issue is an issue till it is fixed. And when a dev thinks an issue isn't an issue any more because people aren't griping about it, they lose any motivation to fix it.

[Warhorse500]

I’ve played the game and read the forums…it may be limited to PC, but I haven’t had that many problems.
I DO get bit by a few commonly reported errors:


1) Doesn’t happen often, but once in a while my roller disappears. This has been reported in its own thread here. Not a big deal; I just hit “V” again, and I’m off…usually in a hail of Volge gunfire. Good to know Challengers are still fast forty years later AND after the apocalypse. (LOL)


2) Don’t know if this bug has been reported, but my clan and I have experienced a problem trying to do a co-op map together. For whatever reason, even if we all group up and then queue up for a co-op map, not all of us make it in…or if we do, at least two of us have client crashes, and then we get a couple of opportunistic types who make it impossible for our guys to get back in. (Clan: Pete’s Spaec Monkiez).


On the subject of spending money for the game, and then being disappointed:


I don’t know about the rest of you, but….having lived as long as I have, I’ve seen games come and go. I had a feeling---that was ultimately borne out---that this one was going to start off buggy. I figured I’d wait it out and see. I spent $22 for this thing about 3-4 months after it came out and haven’t been all that disappointed. I waited again for a couple of months after DLC1 came out, and haven’t been that disappointed in that either, although I will agree with the critics that say it’s not substantial enough. Haven’t bought DLC2 yet…going to wait on that one as well. I figure it’ll be good enough to buy in about two more months, after Trion’s finally ironed out the bugs (and if the critics are right, they are numerous).


I guess the real bottom line here is that all of you who poured out $60 or better to acquire the game---and are mad now---should let this be a lesson. Never buy anything the minute it hits the market. The days of zero-defect manufacturing are long-gone; in an effort to keep the company alive, boardroom members will scrimp at every turn and rush to put out a product. We get to be the beta testers; corporate types, with an eye on the bottom line, have decided that it’s easier and cheaper to just fix the thing after it’s out, rather than wait and put out a bug-free product.



We can beat them at their own game. Don’t buy it when it first comes out---and that goes for anything, be it a video game, a new hair care product, a car,…whatever. Hold off, show them you can hold off, and make them take it back and fix it. Protip life-hack from an old guy who’s been there and done that, and more than once.

[inox2980]

So the TLR version, generally speaking, I believe players are more jaded about how the development and communication has been handled than the actual fun the game brings to them.

Communication is key, especially when it comes to State of the Game/Forum announcements, following up on widely reported issues and being honest about the game itself. Do the poor communication in the past, you are correct in saying many players have become jaded and cynical about the game. I can't blame them, but Trion is going to have to do a tremendous amount of goodwill/awesomeness to bring the players back.

DLC 2 was a step in the right direction, but that success was offset by terrible decisions: refillable grenades (no 0 det!) / sloppy grenade/stim/spike claim system, etc. It's easy to leave a game and call it crap, but it's harder to stick with a potential diamond in the rough. I, for one, am staying and will continue to deal with the good and the bad.

[crasher]

I’ve played the game and read the forums…it may be limited to PC, but I haven’t had that many problems.
I DO get bit by a few commonly reported errors:


1) Doesn’t happen often, but once in a while my roller disappears. This has been reported in its own thread here. Not a big deal; I just hit “V” again, and I’m off…usually in a hail of Volge gunfire. Good to know Challengers are still fast forty years later AND after the apocalypse. (LOL)


2) Don’t know if this bug has been reported, but my clan and I have experienced a problem trying to do a co-op map together. For whatever reason, even if we all group up and then queue up for a co-op map, not all of us make it in…or if we do, at least two of us have client crashes, and then we get a couple of opportunistic types who make it impossible for our guys to get back in. (Clan: Pete’s Spaec Monkiez).


On the subject of spending money for the game, and then being disappointed:


I don’t know about the rest of you, but….having lived as long as I have, I’ve seen games come and go. I had a feeling---that was ultimately borne out---that this one was going to start off buggy. I figured I’d wait it out and see. I spent $22 for this thing about 3-4 months after it came out and haven’t been all that disappointed. I waited again for a couple of months after DLC1 came out, and haven’t been that disappointed in that either, although I will agree with the critics that say it’s not substantial enough. Haven’t bought DLC2 yet…going to wait on that one as well. I figure it’ll be good enough to buy in about two more months, after Trion’s finally ironed out the bugs (and if the critics are right, they are numerous).


I guess the real bottom line here is that all of you who poured out $60 or better to acquire the game---and are mad now---should let this be a lesson. Never buy anything the minute it hits the market. The days of zero-defect manufacturing are long-gone; in an effort to keep the company alive, boardroom members will scrimp at every turn and rush to put out a product. We get to be the beta testers; corporate types, with an eye on the bottom line, have decided that it’s easier and cheaper to just fix the thing after it’s out, rather than wait and put out a bug-free product.



We can beat them at their own game. Don’t buy it when it first comes out---and that goes for anything, be it a video game, a new hair care product, a car,…whatever. Hold off, show them you can hold off, and make them take it back and fix it. Protip life-hack from an old guy who’s been there and done that, and more than once.

Carried to it's conclusion:
None of us should have bought the game for the 1st 8 months it was out, until it went F2P, and the whole dev team had been fired for lack of income all that time.

Somehow, I don't think that works to our advantage.

RED: And since nobody was buying/playing it for that 8 months: Nobody has any way of knowing what needs fixing?

Your plan only tends to work for the few who let others pick up the check for them.

[TASHINKA]

Off topic but my first Computer was Amstrad CPC 464



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