PC-NA versus PC-EU concerning the warmaster

[Fuzzy]

I think in the specific case of the OP it is due to scaling. I have been doing some number crunching (I am an engineer by training) since I made this post. My goal with that post was to show people how much damage the Warmaster needs to be defeated so people could set damage dealt goals. Even though the overall premise was right, I think I came to the wrong conclusion.

I remember reading somewhere before the DLC 2 release that the Warmaster was a fight for 14-24 people and that the instance would scale (though I cannot find that source now). So I have been looking through youtube and the forums for people who actually displayed the damage numbers and I have been performing calculations on overall damage.

Preliminary results indicate that the magic number is about 1.15 Million damage per person per instance between 14-24 people (give or take 150K per person).

So for the example of 14 people or less, the amount of damage needed to defeat the Warmwaster is around 16.1 Million (plus or minus the error). Then finally scales to 17.3M for 15 people, 18.4M for 16 people etc.

Some variability in the damage results comes into play when people hit unintended targets (ie the wrong armor) during the fight, thus inflating damage numbers. Also, I have found out that outside damage does not play a role in your final damage numbers (a quick test is go kill a bunch of stuff outside, then do not kill anything inside and you will notice 0 kills to your name when the fight is over).

I am hoping to have more results so I can post a more firm estimate on damage in a little bit (so stay tuned...).

PS On another note, I too find that hitting the back is an easier (ie quicker) way to remove the armor and provides a larger wolfhound target especially for people with aiming issues. But I go with whatever people in that instance want.

Thanks for clarifying.
Although I personally think the outside adds up to your overall damage. I was doing a Shadow War and there was this Major Arkfall Impact.
It was boring because there weren't much players playing. So I figured.. Why not? I started shooting at a few enemies and went away, killing people and stuff.
After the Shadow War ended and I was somewhere else, a window popped up, displaying all people who were inside of the Major Arkbreak and showing that I delt damage too, even though I never went inside the interior.
You actually have to kill something outside for the number of kills to go to "1". Maybe you didn't land the killshot on a few enemies outside?
It's weird because I hear and see conflicting things. Some say it's like you said, some said it's like I said because we observed different things.

[Atticus Batman]

Thanks for clarifying.
Although I personally think the outside adds up to your overall damage. I was doing a Shadow War and there was this Major Arkfall Impact.
It was boring because there weren't much players playing. So I figured.. Why not? I started shooting at a few enemies and went away, killing people and stuff.
After the Shadow War ended and I was somewhere else, a window popped up, displaying all people who were inside of the Major Arkbreak and showing that I delt damage too, even though I never went inside the interior.
You actually have to kill something outside for the number of kills to go to "1". Maybe you didn't land the killshot on a few enemies outside?
It's weird because I hear and see conflicting things. Some say it's like you said, some said it's like I said because we observed different things.

From what I have seen, only the VOLGE you kill count for the arkbreak score, wether they were in the instance or part of the outside force doesn't matter as long as they are part of that arkbreak. But then i could be wrong.

[Logain]

Thanks for clarifying.
Although I personally think the outside adds up to your overall damage. I was doing a Shadow War and there was this Major Arkfall Impact.
It was boring because there weren't much players playing. So I figured.. Why not? I started shooting at a few enemies and went away, killing people and stuff.
After the Shadow War ended and I was somewhere else, a window popped up, displaying all people who were inside of the Major Arkbreak and showing that I delt damage too, even though I never went inside the interior.
You actually have to kill something outside for the number of kills to go to "1". Maybe you didn't land the killshot on a few enemies outside?
It's weird because I hear and see conflicting things. Some say it's like you said, some said it's like I said because we observed different things.

Hmmm looks like more research is needed. I will try this out today and see what happens.

[plebeian27]

You're forgetting Kiera Ingram and Sypher Smith (the bear jew) two of our heaviest hitters, though I usually match bear and have beat him a few times. Kiera is just inhuman.

I wonder how hard it would be to set this up?! And yes, Kiera and Sypher are just crazy good.

[inox2980]

I wonder how hard it would be to set this up?! And yes, Kiera and Sypher are just crazy good.

Wouldn't be hard to set up - I've been in a group of 10-12 and beat the WM. Careful placement of shots and ensuring the entire group is on the same page about the take down strategy is key to taking the WM down in such a situation.

[Arsenic_Touch]

I wonder how hard it would be to set this up?! And yes, Kiera and Sypher are just crazy good.

Not likely to happen until trion get's off their behinds and fixes what they broke. We stopped doing warmasters because of that.

[Tekrunner]

At some point I took a picture of a whole scoreboard, damage adds up to about 19.2 million. There were 17 people in the instance. The combined score of the first 4 was 13 million.

To complete instances with a lowish number of people, you just need a few very heavy hitters to drag everyone else. For a while PC EU had a bunch of heavy hitters joining each other and doing a lot of WM instances (I don't know if that still happens, haven't really fought the WM since the loot table nerf).

Also, PC EU shoots the back, which is more efficient and results in fewer shots on the armor (which may explain the slightly lower damage total).

[ironcladtrash]

Not likely to happen until trion get's off their behinds and fixes what they broke. We stopped doing warmasters because of that.

I have no motivation to play anymore. PVP is horribly broken and I can't use the War Master to farm for keys and legendary weapons to use once PVP is fixed since the loot table is broken too. I don't think Trion wants us to play anymore. I would love too, but they think the surge bolter is fine and no other mention of if or when anything PVP will be addressed.

[Logain]

At some point I took a picture of a whole scoreboard, damage adds up to about 19.2 million. There were 17 people in the instance. The combined score of the first 4 was 13 million.

17 people at 1.15M per person is 19.5 Million (~19.2M) which is right in the ballpark to what I have found to scale. Thanks for the data point.

And good grief 13 Million by the top 4... Great Job!

[Nashtalia]

WM loot broken Trion confirms! no ETA on loot table fix, so yeah...best loot to expect when the BEST! [number one] on the score board are EPIC tech!