Loot tables seem to be missing lots of gun varieties since patch 1.207

[Shoogli]

Hi, I'm a new player since about 3 weeks, and while I remember to get all sorts of various different guns either on the ground, in vendors or as part as score screen rewards / stashes, it's now different since last patch 1.207.

I've seen several threads in the general forum about it :

- Stop giving me Bolt Action Repeaters!

- PPG's

- Quick question for Dahanese

EDIT : now that DLC 3 is released, and after the live stream "news" that said :

Elizabeth reading Trick's response during Livestream @1:49 1/31/2014
That fix comes with Seventh Legion. Not only does the Wolfhound become more frequent but so do the weapons that do considerably less damage than all the others (VOT Assault Rifles, Sludge RL, Anti-vehicle RL, etc.)

The issue is still present and being discussed here in the general forum.

But none in the bug report forum it seems, so i'm creating this one.

Short description :

In each gun category now only one or two will drop instead of the variety of all them (except ARs). For example if you loot an SMG it will always be a VOT PULSER, and the other ones (example : FRC Nomad, FRC sub-carbine) won't drop anymore.

You can see at a quick glance on this pic what is not droping anymore since 1.207 (the red ones are not dropping anymore) :



User KasperSheitup made similar recordings :

Here and here.

The only exception I've found to this pattern is minor and major arkfalls (the ones where you actually enter an instance to battle the volges, and in the case of the major : the warmaster) score screen stashes, these do drop an additional 2, maybe 3, DLC 2 weapons.

Here's the original post of mine with my first recording :

Hi, I'm a new player, only been playing for the last 2 or 3 weeks, I'm EGO barely above 1000...

I did notice since a few days that the drops were kind of "repetitive" to say the least. So I checked the forum and found this thread.

My issue so far is not about orange or not orange, just the variety...

So I wanted to make sure. Last night I decided that, for a few days, I'd record all the drops I'd get.
But after my few hours play session (enough to get 62 keys as drops, then bought 2 more for a purple box) it became clear that even with such a small sample it was enough to showcase the problem.

The screenshot below is from a spreadsheet, and the list of weapons I got from Defiance-Data.
The column named "drops" means what I found on the ground, the column "reward" means what I was awarded during the score sheet at either the end of a Volge Siege, a Coop Instance, Arkfalls with several legs like hellbug-mother, or the lockbox at the end of the play session, and at last the column "vendor" is what I saw as special limited time offer here and there, making sure i'd wait enough between visits, and check various vendors.

(direct link to full size image)

So in white is what I got, but most importantly in red is what i didn't !
So yeah when I look at the chart above in the assault rifle section i can understand that RNG being RNG and the sample being small I didn't get the last one even if it could have dropped, but then below there are so many weapon categories in which I pulled several times the same unique one and not the others :
well hey, this is where I decided my sample was big enough anyway !

Again, i'm a new player and used a list without knowing if all those weapons were supposed to be normal drops, but there are indeed names that I recall from 2 weeks ago plus in my inventory some I have kept and am sure I found as drops and not quest rewards and don't see anymore...

EDIT : I played the day after and found an exception. I did 2 Warmasters, and on each I got a couple weapons that are not on the list (splitshot, typhoon, flash and lightning something I believe). They also show as red and not usable because I don't have any DLC yet.

[Quebra Regra]

Ah ha! This explains much... and sorta @*#&^ my desire to stay returned to the game.

I feel another 6 month hiatus coming on... What will it be like then? Worse?

[crasher]

Ah ha! This explains much... and sorta @*#&^ my desire to stay returned to the game.

I feel another 6 month hiatus coming on... What will it be like then? Worse?

If you take Worst Case Rumor, there wont be a server to log into.
I otoh assume/hope/expect the game to be here in some form or another.

[mr8liner]

Hi, I'm a new player since about 3 weeks, and while I remember to get all sorts of various different guns either on the ground, in vendors or as part as score screen rewards / stashes, it's now different since last patch 1.207.

I've seen several threads in the general forum about it :

- Stop giving me Bolt Action Repeaters!

- PPG's

- Quick question for Dahanese

But none in the bug report forum it seems, so i'm creating this one.

Short description :

In each gun category now only one or two will drop instead of the variety of all them (except ARs). For example if you loot an SMG it will always be a VOT PULSER, and the other ones (example : FRC Nomad, FRC sub-carbine) won't drop anymore.

You can see at a quick glance on this pic what is not droping anymore since 1.207 (the red ones are not dropping anymore) :



User KasperSheitup made similar recordings :

Here and here.

The only exception I've found to this pattern is minor and major arkfalls (the ones where you actually enter an instance to battle the volges, and in the case of the major : the warmaster) score screen stashes, these do drop an additional 2, maybe 3, DLC 2 weapons.

Here's the original post of mine with my first recording :

Just did some quick match 23/88 guns are dropping. that is 26.1% of the guns in the game. I didn't notice if you had sheilds up there though. WHAT ARE THEY THINKING?????

[firemist]

Good stats! All I know if that I've popped well over T4 boxes in the last 2 weeks and not one of them has yielded anything higher than blue.....all weapons that are commonly found on the ground on all arkfights.....This weekend, I opened up 6 or 7 T3 boxes and got a purple on each one.....so go figure....and I agree, this is not the way to keep players playing.....if the loot table is so screwed up, at least uncap the 75 keys limit until you do so we can go on a spree once Trion's fixed it.....

[barbzilla]

I seriously think they are trying to crash the game so they don't have to work on it anymore. There is no other plausible explanation for why a bunch of bugs from alpha are popping back up again now.

[KasperSheitup]

This is still broken even though it was said it would be fixed so I'm bumping this.
It's a crucial part of the game.

[Shoogli]

Good stats! All I know if that I've popped well over T4 boxes in the last 2 weeks and not one of them has yielded anything higher than blue.....all weapons that are commonly found on the ground on all arkfights.....This weekend, I opened up 6 or 7 T3 boxes and got a purple on each one.....so go figure....and I agree, this is not the way to keep players playing.....if the loot table is so screwed up, at least uncap the 75 keys limit until you do so we can go on a spree once Trion's fixed it.....

Well this isn't about weapon quality (aka white, green, blue, purple, etc...) since this seems to be working as intended, but about weapon variety : not always looting a VOT Pulser when looting an SMG and so on and so forth...

[tetiona]

Well this isn't about weapon quality (aka white, green, blue, purple, etc...) since this seems to be working as intended, but about weapon variety

VERY good point. Some of us newer players have not even tried a good many of these weapons. Because they do not drop. Hell I carry around a white 450 ground pounder, because I like it, and have not seen another one since. I would love to get the chance to try some of the other weapons I haven't seen yet

[Isende]

bumping to keep this active. for instance, yay and joy on finally getting the tachmag pulsar to drop again -- but EVERY single one of them with radiation? guys, what gives here?